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Darfur Crisis

I do agree. There is a connection, because the LRA has also been present in Sudan, which we are discussing. The five—Kony and Otti and the other three—had plenty of time to give up if they wanted to. The fact is that they did not. Now the ICC has indicted them and, as I said to President Museveni when I spoke to him on Tuesday, there is a responsibility on all of the countries now affected—northern Uganda, southern Sudan, the Democratic Republic of the Congo where the bulk of them are now to be found—to get together. This is a threat to regional security. Those individuals have to be found and shipped off to the Hague where they belong. The rest of the fighters should come back into society because President Museveni has very wisely said that he will consider an amnesty in relation to them. Finally, may I say to the hon. Member for Edinburgh, West, who made an extremely thoughtful and important speech, that the insecurity that women face is one of the characteristics of this terrible conflict. One question that occurred to me when we went to the camps—I do not know whether it occurred to him—was why the men do not go out with the women when they are collecting the fire wood. That might act as a deterrent to those who attack them. It is a real problem, and in the absence of sufficient AU patrols—they have had police stations in the camps and are trying to increase their number—it is something that people could do now to ensure that their women are protected. The hon. Gentleman made a really important point about elections and referendums, not because they are not important—they are desperately important—but because, as he said, some people do not like the results. That tells us that there has to be a culture that comes with the use of elections and referendums as a means of resolving debate and argument. That means that, like it or not, sometimes one loses and the other side wins, and if one is not able to accept that there can be real difficulties.