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Corporate Manslaughter and Corporate Homicide Bill

This has been an important debate, but I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Wedderburn, that it has been a difficult debate because we have been dealing with two separate issues, and I shall respond to the Minister in two parts. We will be returning to public bodies later with particular amendments, but, as I understand what the Minister said to my noble and learned friend Lord Lyell, the department will be liable if it is in gross breach of a duty under paragraphs (a) and (b) of Clause 2(1), but not if it is in breach of a duty of care under paragraph (c). When we get to the more detailed analysis, we will need to go into this very carefully indeed.