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Social Security

Perhaps we can discuss that general subject on another occasion. The important point in respect of the order is that up to 330,000 people were not claiming the guaranteed part of the credit—between 70 and 80 per cent. of the case load. That is extremely serious and we must surmise that many of those people are in a grave financial situation. On the savings element of pension credit—the Minister pulls a face again; he will pull an even worse one when I tell him this—fewer than half of those entitled to it claim it. If he wants to gainsay that, I am happy for him to do so.