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Proceeding contribution from Lord Armstrong of Ilminster (Crossbench) in the House of Lords on Monday, 23 May 2011. It occurred during Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bill on European Union Bill.


European Union Bill

My Lords, I intervene as one who is not learned in the law, unlike most previous speakers. I put down an amendment that Clause 18 should not stand part of the Bill. The noble and learned Lord, Lord Howe, referred to that and also put his name to the amendment. I listened to those who are learned in the law dancing on the point of a legal pin. I shall take the matter away and look at what they said, because it seems to me—as it seemed when I tabled the amendment—that the clause is, as has been said, not just unnecessarily vague but unnecessary. As has also been said, it is declaratory in effect. However, the legal position is perfectly clear from Section 2 of the European Communities Act 1972. Like the noble and learned Lord, Lord Howe, I remember vividly the discussions that led up to that section. It has been buttressed by opinions in the Court of Appeal, if not in the Supreme Court—or House of Lords as it was—and I have not been convinced that we need Clause 18 in the Bill. I share the views of the noble Lord, Lord Kerr of Kinlochard, about the undesirability of declaratory provisions that do not change anything. Therefore, I have not yet been convinced that the law is uncertain or not absolutely clear already in this matter and needs to be reinforced or redeclared by the clause.


Secondary information

Type
Proceeding contribution
Reference
727 c1657 
Session
2010-12
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Subjects
Crime Administration of justice EU law Electoral Commission Legislation European communities EU justice and home affairs Powers Newspaper press Referendums Parliamentary scrutiny Sovereignty Treaties Reform Treaty on European Union UK membership of EU Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union Treaty of Lisbon
Legislation
European Communities Act 1972
European Union Bill 2010-12
Link
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