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Queen's speech debate on Wednesday, 25 May 2005, in the House of Commons, led by George Osborne. The answering member was Gordon Brown.

The Economy and Welfare Reform

Queen's speech debate (sixth day) on the economy and welfare reform. First amendment to loyal address negatived on division (335 to 241). Second amendment negatived on division (327 to 67). Main question agreed on division (322 to 246).

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Parliamentary proceeding
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434 c708-826 
Session
2005-06
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Department for Work and Pensions
Treasury
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Addresses to the Crown
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House of Commons chamber
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Queen's speech (answer to address)
Monday, 13 June 2005
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Proceeding contributions
John Leech | 434 c793-6 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, for allowing me the honour of making my maiden speech during the de...
Gordon Banks | 434 c800-3 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate hon. Members who have made their maiden speech today, especially my hon. Friend the M...
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Mary Creagh | 434 c791-3 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. It is with great pleasure that I rise to make my maiden speech. I c...
Stephen Williams | 434 c783-6 (Link to this contribution) In common with many hon. Members who have spoken today, I rise to make my maiden speech with some tr...
David Anderson | 434 c744-7 (Link to this contribution) Let me begin by congratulating my fellow ““maidens”” who are present today on breaking their duck. I...
Alison Seabeck | 434 c755-7 (Link to this contribution) I offer my congratulations to all who have spoken before me on their excellent and heartfelt speeche...
Tim Farron | 434 c752-5 (Link to this contribution) Mr. Deputy Speaker, thank you for allowing me to make my maiden speech. I commend and congratulate t...
Brian Binley | 434 c747-50 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the hon. Member for Blaydon (Mr. Anderson) on a fine and fighting maiden speech. I...
Ed Balls | 434 c760-3 (Link to this contribution) It is a great honour to make my maiden speech in this House on this, the final day of debate on the ...
Stephen Crabb | 434 c758-60 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the opportunity to make my maiden speech on the final day of debate on the Queen’s...
Nadine Dorries | 434 c738-40 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, for calling me to make my maiden speech. As I am the first to do so t...
Baroness Keeley | 434 c740-2 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and to the House for the opportunity to make my maiden spe...
Helen Goodman | 434 c781-3 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful for this opportunity to make my maiden speech. It is a great honour and a privile...
Mark Williams | 434 c773-6 (Link to this contribution) Thank you for calling me, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I congratulate the hon. Member for Wolverhampton, ...
Pat McFadden | 434 c770-3 (Link to this contribution) It is with a deep sense of humility and responsibility that I rise to make my maiden speech as we de...
Sharon Hodgson | 434 c803-6 (Link to this contribution) It gives me great pleasure to rise to make my maiden speech and to follow my hon. Friend the Member ...
Speaker | 434 c736 (Link to this contribution) Order. Before I call the next speaker, I remind the House that Mr. Speaker has placed a 10-minute li...
Bob Spink | 434 c798-9 (Link to this contribution) We have had 14 excellent maiden speeches today, and I pay tribute to them all. They showed charm, hu...
Speaker | 434 c799 (Link to this contribution) I remind the hon. Gentleman that the part of the Queen’s Speech that we are currently debating is th...
Roger Berry | 434 c796-8 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to speak in the debate. I will speak briefly, as others wish to contribute. I congr...
Bob Spink | 434 c799-800 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful, Madam Deputy Speaker. I have the amendment that we are debating, and I shall stick to...
Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 434 c788-91 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate all those who have made their maiden speeches during the debate on the Gracious Speec...
Mark Tami | 434 c786-8 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to take part in the debate. I begin b...
Gordon Brown | 434 c724-5 (Link to this contribution) I have given way quite enough. Every time I give way to the leader of the Scottish National party I ...
Gordon Brown | 434 c723-4 (Link to this contribution) In total, we are refurbishing 2 million houses. If my right hon. Friend the Deputy Prime Minister an...
Gordon Brown | 434 c725 (Link to this contribution) I have given way quite enough and I have some further announcements to make. When Rover went into l...
Lynne Jones | 434 c723 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way?
Gordon Brown | 434 c723 (Link to this contribution) It is—[Interruption.] It is strange that Conservative Members are looking to my hon. Friend to do wh...
Lynne Jones | 434 c723 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to take my right hon. Friend back to the subject of investment in housing. I was disappoi...
Gordon Brown | 434 c723 (Link to this contribution) I have given way on several occasions. We have measures in the Queen’s Speech not only for housing ...
Lynne Jones | 434 c723 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way?
Gordon Brown | 434 c722 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman will have to be patient and not try to do the shadow Chancellor’s job for him. T...
Gordon Brown | 434 c722 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure whether I want a debate on the European Union, but I suppose that I should allow the h...
Peter Tapsell | 434 c722 (Link to this contribution) If things are so rosy, why does the IMF tell us that our fiscal stance is rapidly deteriorating?
Lord Barker of Battle | 434 c721 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Gordon Brown | 434 c721 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to do so. Perhaps the hon. Gentleman can solve the Conservatives’ dilemma and say whether...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 434 c735 (Link to this contribution) The Liberal Democrat amendment regrets"““the absence of proposals to introduce . . . local income ta...
Vincent Cable | 434 c735 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady knows that the whole argument is about how regulation is framed. I shall pursue the ex...
Angela Eagle | 434 c735 (Link to this contribution) Is it not important to differentiate between protective regulations, such as those concerned with he...
John Bercow | 434 c734 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Gentleman that a new approach by the Government to regulation would be welcome...
Vincent Cable | 434 c734 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has pursued that cause in his eight years in the House. He is right that, despite...
John Robertson | 434 c733 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman accept that the management of the economy in the past eight years has been b...
Vincent Cable | 434 c733-4 (Link to this contribution) I graciously accepted at the beginning of my remarks that the record was good; I am not disputing th...
John Robertson | 434 c732 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman saying that his party would do absolutely nothing for first-time buyers and al...
Vincent Cable | 434 c732-3 (Link to this contribution) No, I am not suggesting that at all. The Government propose to spend a lot of money on this initiati...
Vincent Cable | 434 c731-2 (Link to this contribution) There is no proposal, but we have a completely open mind and a willingness to look at new ideas, whi...
Speaker | 434 c730 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Gentleman now has the Floor of the House, so those leaving should do so quietly and ...
Vincent Cable | 434 c729 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, as an amendment to the Address, at end add—"““but regret that the Gracious Speech con...
Mark Tami | 434 c731 (Link to this contribution) : Before the hon. Gentleman moves off what he calls wacky ideas, could he tell us about the Liberal ...
Vincent Cable | 434 c730-1 (Link to this contribution) I should like to extend a welcome to the new shadow Chancellor. He has enjoyed some good press over ...
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 434 c725 (Link to this contribution) The Chancellor has brought me to my feet by touching on the future for a moment. He has taken us bac...
Gordon Brown | 434 c728-9 (Link to this contribution) I am not giving way now. Tomorrow we will publish our proposals for economic reform for our preside...
Gordon Brown | 434 c725 (Link to this contribution) Ah! I may have said half a dozen, but I should have said seven Conservative economic plans.
Alex Salmond | 434 c764 (Link to this contribution) My friends in Plaid Cymru, the party of Wales, are saving themselves for the National Assembly elect...
Lord McFall of Alcluith | 434 c750-2 (Link to this contribution) I am privileged to speak in this Queen’s Speech debate. I congratulate the new Members who have made...
Bill Wiggin | 434 c764 (Link to this contribution) I am interested to hear how well the SNP did. Why does the hon. Gentleman think that the Welsh natio...
Alex Salmond | 434 c763-4 (Link to this contribution) I know a fair amount about English history, and after listening to eight excellent maiden speeches I...
Angela Eagle | 434 c743 (Link to this contribution) : May I assume that the right hon. Gentleman is an enthusiastic supporter of the European directive ...
Lord Arbuthnot of Edrom | 434 c743-4 (Link to this contribution) Yes. The Government have done a number of different things to try to help older people. For example...
Alex Salmond | 434 c735 (Link to this contribution) : I believe in local income tax, but how does the hon. Gentleman reconcile the concept of a local in...
Vincent Cable | 434 c735 (Link to this contribution) Yes; it most certainly does, and I am happy to refute any suggestion to the contrary. The hon. Gentl...
Vincent Cable | 434 c735-6 (Link to this contribution) Local income tax is a flat tax, so I cannot see the point of the intervention. Local income tax migh...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 434 c736-8 (Link to this contribution) I know that a number of maiden speeches will be made in this Chamber this afternoon. Indeed, I feel ...
Lord Arbuthnot of Edrom | 434 c742-3 (Link to this contribution) I have had no difficulty whatsoever listening to the hon. Member for Worsley (Ms Keeley). She paid a...
Alex Salmond | 434 c770 (Link to this contribution) A closer examination of the amendments tabled by the Conservative and by the Liberal parties shows t...
Richard Shepherd | 434 c770 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful, Sir. I am trying, though, to direct myself to legislation that arises out of the subs...
Speaker | 434 c770 (Link to this contribution) Order. I am sorry to interrupt the hon. Gentleman, who is an experienced Member of the House, but we...
Mark Hoban | 434 c779-81 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate hon. Members who have made maiden speeches today, particularly my hon. Friends the Me...
Angela Eagle | 434 c776-9 (Link to this contribution) It is a great pleasure to follow the latest of 10—I think it was 10—maiden speeches in today’s debat...
Speaker | 434 c776 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Gentleman has run out of time.
Alex Salmond | 434 c764-6 (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Gentleman knows, the only opinion poll that we have had thus far for the 2007 Scottish e...
Tom Harris | 434 c764 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is proud of the achievement of his party in the general election even though it s...
Tom Clarke | 434 c768 (Link to this contribution) However, the commission will make recommendations in order to address the full range of issues, incl...
Richard Shepherd | 434 c769-70 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that all hon. Members feel for those who are making their maiden speeches. We all remember...
Tom Clarke | 434 c768-9 (Link to this contribution) Richard Curtis, one of Britain’s leading screenwriters, penned the script for a movie called ““The G...
David TC Davies | 434 c767 (Link to this contribution) How many of those extra jobs that have been created have been created in the public sector, and how ...
Tom Clarke | 434 c766-7 (Link to this contribution) The transformation of the economy and its impact on jobs, reflected in today’s excellent maiden spee...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 434 c720 (Link to this contribution) In fact, I am going to urge the Chancellor to go further in his shared ownership scheme. To enable m...
Gordon Brown | 434 c720 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the hon. Gentleman is going to support our proposals.
Gordon Brown | 434 c720 (Link to this contribution) We are looking at such matters all the time, but there is another question that the hon. Gentleman a...
Lord McCabe | 434 c720 (Link to this contribution) The intervention of the hon. Member for Cotswold (Mr. Clifton-Brown) has confused me. How does steal...
Gordon Brown | 434 c720 (Link to this contribution) I told the hon. Member for Cotswold that we examine equity release schemes continuously. That should...
John Hayes | 434 c720-1 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted that the Chancellor has embraced the shared ownership scheme first proposed by the Co...
Gordon Brown | 434 c721 (Link to this contribution) At the election, the Conservatives proposed cutting the housing budget. We have said that we will do...
Gordon Brown | 434 c721 (Link to this contribution) I want to make some progress. I shall give way again later. Our housing measures are possible only ...
John Robertson | 434 c806-7 (Link to this contribution) I begin by congratulating all maiden speakers today on making excellent speeches. This place will be...
Malcolm Rifkind | 434 c807-11 (Link to this contribution) Listening to the hon. Member for Glasgow, North-West (John Robertson) and his call for a national co...
Lord Blunkett | 434 c811-5 (Link to this contribution) I welcome back to the House of Commons the shadow Secretary of State, who is experienced, thoughtful...
Robert Flello | 434 c710 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way. I feel that a point needs to be pressed, because...
George Osborne | 434 c710 (Link to this contribution) If I may give some advice to the new Member, he should not take the planted questions of the Labour ...
Lord McCabe | 434 c709 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way, and I welcome him to his new post and wish him w...
George Osborne | 434 c709-10 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that I got that last bit. If the hon. Gentleman is saying that cutting red tape is not...
Robert Flello | 434 c710 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
George Osborne | 434 c710 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to give way to the hon. Gentleman. Did he have a picture of Blair or of Brown in his elec...
George Osborne | 434 c708-9 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, as an amendment to the Address, at end add—"‘but regret that the Gracious Speech does...
Mark Tami | 434 c710 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way. For the third time, can he tell us what Tory tax policy i...
Nick Palmer | 434 c712 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether the hon. Gentleman supports the draconian code of conduct for Conservative MPs bein...
Lord Beamish | 434 c711-2 (Link to this contribution) Part of the competitive economy is a well-trained and well-educated work force. Does the hon. Gentle...
George Osborne | 434 c711 (Link to this contribution) I think that I had better answer that question at the end of the debate. I was talking about the co...
George Osborne | 434 c710-1 (Link to this contribution) We proposed at the general election a reduction in taxation of £4 billion, including an incentive to...
Alex Salmond | 434 c711 (Link to this contribution) Is it true, as The Times reported today, that the shadow Chancellor was intent on pursuing an honest...
Speaker | 434 c708 (Link to this contribution) I wish to inform the House that I have selected for debate the amendment in the name of the Leader o...
George Osborne | 434 c717 (Link to this contribution) I think that I shall have to read out for the third time the quote from the right hon. Member for Bi...
Huw Irranca-Davies | 434 c716-7 (Link to this contribution) I am disappointed at the hon. Gentleman’s lowly esteem in the House, but after his last comment I ca...
George Osborne | 434 c716 (Link to this contribution) I agree that there is a problem with poor female pensioners who have not built up national insurance...
Gordon Brown | 434 c719-20 (Link to this contribution) Appointments are made by the Prime Minister, and rightly so. Over time, the hon. Gentleman will find...
Lord Bellingham | 434 c719 (Link to this contribution) The Chancellor mentioned the MOD. Had he been Prime Minister after 5 May, would he have appointed th...
Gordon Brown | 434 c717-9 (Link to this contribution) Let me start by saying what a pleasure it is to welcome the new shadow Chancellor. I look forward to...
George Osborne | 434 c717 (Link to this contribution) I absolutely agree. The amount of money that the Government have set aside does not begin to meet th...
Lord Bellingham | 434 c717 (Link to this contribution) Is my right hon. Friend aware that during the election I met many people in west Norfolk who are mem...
George Osborne | 434 c713 (Link to this contribution) That is the view of almost every independent economic observer, and I would be interested to know wh...
George Osborne | 434 c712-3 (Link to this contribution) I am not entirely sure that that is relevant to this debate. How are British companies supposed to ...
George Osborne | 434 c713 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend’s point is extremely telling, and supports my case that we are heading in the wrong d...
Gerald Howarth | 434 c713 (Link to this contribution) Is my hon. Friend aware that in my constituency of Aldershot, about three years ago, a German compan...
George Osborne | 434 c713 (Link to this contribution) The point is that we are heading in the same direction as Germany if we continue to raise taxes and ...
Andrew Miller | 434 c713 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman and I have constituencies in the same county, and he knows that Cheshire has some...
George Osborne | 434 c713-4 (Link to this contribution) I will make a little progress with my speech and give way later. At a time when the rest of the dev...
Ian Lucas | 434 c713 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Prescott | 434 c714 (Link to this contribution) At least they are still investing.
George Osborne | 434 c714 (Link to this contribution) I would be delighted to come to Wrexham, but I point out to the hon. Gentleman that foreign direct i...
George Osborne | 434 c714-5 (Link to this contribution) The Deputy Prime Minister says that at least they are still investing, but the amount has almost hal...
Huw Irranca-Davies | 434 c716 (Link to this contribution) I am particularly interested in the hon. Gentleman’s statement about what has happened since this Go...
George Osborne | 434 c716 (Link to this contribution) Sorting that out is the pensions challenge—the third of the long-term economic challenges that this ...
Chris Bryant | 434 c716 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
George Osborne | 434 c716 (Link to this contribution) I had better read out again what the right hon. Member for Birkenhead, the first pensions Minister i...
Chris Bryant | 434 c716 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the shadow Chancellor. Does he not understand that hundreds of thousands of people,...
George Osborne | 434 c716 (Link to this contribution) I cannot resist giving way to the hon. Member for Rhondda (Chris Bryant).
George Osborne | 434 c716 (Link to this contribution) I have already given way to the hon. Gentleman, and I want to make progress, but I cannot resist giv...
Gordon Brown | 434 c722-3 (Link to this contribution) The IMF praised the management of the British economy. It said that its management—[Interruption.] I...
Lord Barker of Battle | 434 c721 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the Chancellor will confirm something for me—that since 1997 Britain has not advanced from f...
Gordon Brown | 434 c725-8 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the former Chancellor for giving me the chance to say that I believe that north Ame...
Gordon Brown | 434 c721-2 (Link to this contribution) It so happens that I have the rankings drawn up by many different organisations right here. The late...
Richard Shepherd | 434 c770 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the leader of the Scottish National party to the extent that regardless of anything...
Tom Clarke | 434 c767-8 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I am coming to that. Under the Government, employment is up by 2 million. The Conservative par...
George Osborne | 434 c712 (Link to this contribution) I suspect that that was a veiled attack on the Prime Minister and his public school education, which...
Ian Lucas | 434 c714 (Link to this contribution) I do not support that. I invite the hon. Gentleman to take a short drive down the M56 from his const...
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