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Adjournment debate on Tuesday, 21 March 2006, in the House of Commons, led by Tony McNulty. The answering member was Damian Green.

Managed Migration

Debate on a motion for the adjournment on a points based system for managed migration.

Secondary information

Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
444 c214-58 
Session
2005-06
Department
Home Office
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
Lord Lilley | 444 c257 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the Minister realises that this good and measured debate has been marred only by his poo...
Tony McNulty | 444 c257-8 (Link to this contribution) I was not challenging whether the question was in order in parliamentary terms. I was just explainin...
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Speaker | 444 c257 (Link to this contribution) One thing that the Deputy Speaker does not have to do is get embroiled in the debate itself. Questio...
Lord Lilley | 444 c257 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I would be grateful if you could confirm that my question w...
Tony McNulty | 444 c257 (Link to this contribution) I shall ignore the right hon. Gentleman’s preface to his question. In fact, I shall ignore his quest...
Tony Cunningham | 444 c258 (Link to this contribution) I beg to ask leave to withdraw the motion. Motion, by leave, withdrawn.
Tony McNulty | 444 c258 (Link to this contribution) Had the hon. Gentleman bothered turning up to the debate, he might have made a contribution. I will ...
Martin Horwood | 444 c258 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps as an alternative to calling his opponents fatuous, the Minister might deploy the argument t...
Justine Greening | 444 c230 (Link to this contribution) Is my hon. Friend as concerned as I am that parallel systems might be running, which could cause eve...
Justine Greening | 444 c229-30 (Link to this contribution) On that matter, will my hon. Friend ask the Minister whether the new system will take account of ski...
Damian Green | 444 c229 (Link to this contribution) There are two separate issues. The point about the skills advisory board, which we welcome as one of...
John Bercow | 444 c229 (Link to this contribution) I am listening to my hon. Friend’s speech with close interest. He is decently sceptical about the pr...
John Bercow | 444 c233 (Link to this contribution) I am intervening to make a slightly different point. The Government want to maintain a strict distin...
Lord Benyon | 444 c232 (Link to this contribution) One of the largest employers in my constituency is the racing industry. Members may be surprised to ...
Neil Gerrard | 444 c231-2 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the debate, and a great deal of what is in the White Paper. That is not always the case wh...
Damian Green | 444 c230 (Link to this contribution) I am almost certain that there will be parallel systems, that there will be no communication between...
Jeremy Wright | 444 c247-9 (Link to this contribution) I preface my remarks by saying that whenever this House debates immigration, it is important that we...
Jim Cousins | 444 c247 (Link to this contribution) The point that my hon. Friend is making about chefs applies equally to halal butchers of the most ex...
Keith Vaz | 444 c247 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely, and my hon. Friend will not find many of those in Hertfordshire. People have to be broug...
Lord Lilley | 444 c243-4 (Link to this contribution) The idea that southern England needs to be encouraged to import masses of people because Scotland is...
Keith Vaz | 444 c244-6 (Link to this contribution) I start with an apology—I have already apologised to the Minister—for not being able to be here at t...
Pete Wishart | 444 c243 (Link to this contribution) : What would the right hon. Gentleman say to countrymen of mine who face the fastest depopulation in...
Lord Lilley | 444 c246 (Link to this contribution) As a crass economist, may I ask why there is a shortage of chefs? Could it be that their pay is not ...
Keith Vaz | 444 c246-7 (Link to this contribution) No, that is not the reason. The right hon. Gentleman can go and visit his fine Indian restaurant in ...
Lord Lilley | 444 c246 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Keith Vaz | 444 c246 (Link to this contribution) I will do so if the right hon. Gentleman’s intervention is about chefs.
John Bercow | 444 c236-7 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is concerned that the Government should heed the views of the SAB. In most instan...
Mark Hunter | 444 c237 (Link to this contribution) I very much agree with that, and I guess that the Minister will want to return to the point later on...
Andrew Smith | 444 c237-9 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the measured tone of the previous speech. It is clear from both the speeches of the Opposi...
Lord Lilley | 444 c239-43 (Link to this contribution) We are asked to consider today a points-based system of managed migration. Most of the management gu...
Neil Gerrard | 444 c233-4 (Link to this contribution) Of course, at the moment there is no such right to work; there used to be the right to work after si...
Mark Hunter | 444 c234-5 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to make my first Front-Bench contribution on home affairs in this debate. It is par...
Tony McNulty | 444 c235-6 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes an entirely fair point, but it is not for the Command Paper to include thos...
Mark Hunter | 444 c236 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that intervention. If he is prepared to send me that background de...
Simon Hughes | 444 c236 (Link to this contribution) One matter follows exactly from the point that my hon. Friend is making, and it concerns those parts...
Mark Hunter | 444 c236 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an excellent point, and I am sure that the Minister will want to respond to it ...
Tony McNulty | 444 c255 (Link to this contribution) No—I am bored. The hon. Gentleman is boring me now. He has nothing of substance to offer, which is a...
Pete Wishart | 444 c255 (Link to this contribution) I am astonished at the Minister’s response to a rather measured inquiry. Why cannot what happens in ...
Tony McNulty | 444 c254-5 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is being deliberately obtuse. He has offered the view that the scheme lacks ratio...
Tony McNulty | 444 c254 (Link to this contribution) The answer to the question is simply put in the living, breathing elements of the points-based syste...
Damian Green | 444 c254 (Link to this contribution) If I had done anything like that, I would be ashamed of myself, but the person who should be ashamed...
Damian Green | 444 c254 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is adept at spraying around words such as ““obtuse”” and ““uncivilised””, which he has ...
Pete Wishart | 444 c252 (Link to this contribution) If anything, that is a trick question, and I will resist the temptation of venturing an answer. Scot...
Tony McNulty | 444 c253-4 (Link to this contribution) On the whole, my opening remarks about welcoming such a debate were well made, because it has been, ...
Pete Wishart | 444 c250-2 (Link to this contribution) We are having those difficulties because we do not have control of our immigration policies. We have...
Pete Wishart | 444 c252 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for those comments and observations; he is probably correct. I a...
Lord Lilley | 444 c252 (Link to this contribution) I believe that the Scottish Parliament has the power to reduce taxation. Does the hon. Gentleman’s p...
Tony McNulty | 444 c249 (Link to this contribution) The elements that the hon. Gentleman properly describes are not in the document because it deals wit...
Pete Wishart | 444 c249-50 (Link to this contribution) It will not surprise hon. Members if I approach the matter from a slightly different perspective—fro...
Charles Walker | 444 c250 (Link to this contribution) Why does the hon. Gentleman think that Scotland is having so many problems attracting people to live...
Damian Green | 444 c228-9 (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Gentleman comments from a sedentary position, I strongly recommend that the Minister con...
Damian Green | 444 c228 (Link to this contribution) I am glad that the Minister is confident enough to believe that he is right, and that distinguished ...
Damian Green | 444 c227-8 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that burst of clarity from the Government Front Bench, which is a rare treat. Whi...
Tony McNulty | 444 c228 (Link to this contribution) I have spoken to Enam Ali, and I have told him, and I will tell the hon. Gentleman, not to quote con...
Damian Green | 444 c226-7 (Link to this contribution) I am in favour of controls. I note that the Minister is not going to answer my questions—[Interrupti...
Damian Green | 444 c226 (Link to this contribution) I am in favour of a controlled immigration system. Is the Minister in favour of uncontrolled numbers...
Andy Burnham | 444 c226 (Link to this contribution) The purpose of the system that my hon. Friend the Minister for Immigration, Citizenship and National...
Tony McNulty | 444 c222 (Link to this contribution) Unkind colleagues on the Front Bench suggested that the people cheering next door might have been Sc...
Justine Greening | 444 c221 (Link to this contribution) : I sympathise with the Minister’s story about the Portugal v. England shoot-out. I was similarly di...
Tony McNulty | 444 c221 (Link to this contribution) I fear that the hon. Gentleman, whom I agree with, by the way, will tempt me back into talking about...
John Bercow | 444 c221 (Link to this contribution) I do not sniff at what the hon. Member for East Lothian (Anne Moffat) said, as I am not familiar wit...
Pete Wishart | 444 c222 (Link to this contribution) I assure the Minister that it was not Scottish people in the hotel on the evening that has been ment...
Tony McNulty | 444 c218 (Link to this contribution) That is absolutely right, and I remember the hon. Gentleman raising that point in Home Office questi...
Anne Moffat | 444 c220 (Link to this contribution) I regret having to bring in an element of negativity, but I wonder whether hon. Friend shares my con...
Tony McNulty | 444 c220-1 (Link to this contribution) I do not know the exact details of that case, but if my hon. Friend wants to share them with me I wi...
David Leslie Taylor | 444 c218-9 (Link to this contribution) I pay tribute to the intelligence, creativity and tenacity, all of which are overdue, that my hon. F...
Tony McNulty | 444 c219-20 (Link to this contribution) They will have to be, in an increasingly dynamic, fast moving and global labour market. I demur from...
Damian Green | 444 c225-6 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has not raised the tone of the debate with that intervention. I could not have be...
Tony McNulty | 444 c222-3 (Link to this contribution) That is a fair point. Much of what Scotland has achieved through the fresh talent: working in Scotla...
Damian Green | 444 c223-5 (Link to this contribution) Like the Minister, I am pleased that we are holding the debate and grateful that it is in the Chambe...
Keith Vaz | 444 c225 (Link to this contribution) Why is the numbers game important, when those who will come to this country under the new scheme wil...
Damian Green | 444 c225 (Link to this contribution) It is not a game. The hon. Gentleman has made many distinguished contributions to this debate over t...
Speaker | 444 c216 (Link to this contribution) Order. There has been nine minutes of dwelling on this. I appeal to the House to recognise that our ...
John Pugh | 444 c216 (Link to this contribution) I agree that it was not just a matter of tone. In my constituency, misinformation about the cost of ...
Tony McNulty | 444 c216 (Link to this contribution) I agree, but I do not wish to dwell on the matter unduly.
Justine Greening | 444 c215 (Link to this contribution) I shook my head because of my experience as a candidate last year. Many of my constituents who are s...
Lord Lilley | 444 c215 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree that it is quite wrong to base any policy on abuse of the character of immigrants o...
Tony McNulty | 444 c215 (Link to this contribution) May I say unreservedly that I completely agree with the right hon. Gentleman? It is not racist to ta...
Tony McNulty | 444 c214-5 (Link to this contribution) I will exempt the hon. Lady, because I read her leaflets from start to finish, and they never mentio...
Tony McNulty | 444 c214 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted that we are discussing the important proposals on the new points-based system for man...
Tony McNulty | 444 c217-8 (Link to this contribution) On the hon. Gentleman’s first point, we made it clear in the Command Paper on the points-based syste...
Tony McNulty | 444 c217 (Link to this contribution) The answer to my right hon. Friend, in short, is both. Once the sector has worked with the skills ad...
Russell Brown | 444 c217 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to hear my hon. Friend’s comments, but there are greater difficulties in rural localiti...
Tony McNulty | 444 c217 (Link to this contribution) I accept that. Once the substantive shortages are clearly identified, such considerations must be fa...
John Bercow | 444 c217 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister tell the House where he is now in the review of the food processing quota? The revi...
Keith Vaz | 444 c216 (Link to this contribution) I accept that the Minister is painting a picture before moving on to the detail of the scheme, but m...
Tony McNulty | 444 c216 (Link to this contribution) I accept your admonition, Mr. Deputy Speaker. The Prime Minister went on to describe Conservative p...
Andrew Smith | 444 c216-7 (Link to this contribution) I welcome my hon. Friend’s commitment to work with the restaurant sector on the issue, which is enor...
Tony McNulty | 444 c216 (Link to this contribution) I am entirely satisfied that that is the case, but I told the sector that there are already problems...
Neil Gerrard | 444 c232-3 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree. The Minister has made clear that he is willing to talk to the various industrial i...
Andy Burnham | 444 c226 (Link to this contribution) I have been listening carefully to the hon. Gentleman flannelling away. Picking up on what he has be...
Damian Green | 444 c252 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making an extremely interesting point about the contrast between Ireland and S...
Tony McNulty | 444 c255-7 (Link to this contribution) As my hon. Friend notes from a sedentary position behind me, Australia is entirely different—in scal...
Tony McNulty | 444 c227 (Link to this contribution) It is not the case that the system will take many years to be introduced. I have said that we will t...
Keith Vaz | 444 c225 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way a second time. I am concerned about the numb...
Damian Green | 444 c225 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way again in a minute. My objection to the proposals is that the Government are being ...
Tony McNulty | 444 c215-6 (Link to this contribution) No, I do not. That is not simply because of the tone, which was unnecessarily hectoring and verged o...
John Bercow | 444 c218 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is being generous in giving way. He should not be embarrassed about, and I would not cr...
Damian Green | 444 c230 (Link to this contribution) It certainly should be taken into account. The Minister did not mention it, and perhaps other Member...
Tony McNulty | 444 c254 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman may talk of my ““spraying around”” phrases, but if he is obtuse, he will be descr...
Jeremy Wright | 444 c249 (Link to this contribution) I follow the Minister’s argument, but there is more advantage in the proposals than simply the abili...
Subjects
Immigration controls Management Migration Migrant workers Skilled workers
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