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Debate on bill on Tuesday, 5 June 2007, in the House of Commons.

Corporate Manslaughter and Corporate Homicide Bill

Corporate Manslaughter and Corporate Homicide Bill. Lords Reasons for insisting on their amendments considered. Motion to insist on Commons disagreement to Lords amendments but not on its amendment in lieu; and to propose amendments in lieu. Agreed to on division (266 votes to 210).

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
461 c145-65 
Session
2006-07
Department
Ministry of Justice
Legislative stage
Lords amendments
Procedure
Lords reasons
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Gerry Sutcliffe | 461 c161 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to hon. Members on both sides of the House for their well-held views on this issue. Th...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 461 c160 (Link to this contribution) To reassure the right hon. Gentleman, I can tell him that if it could be proved that criminal neglig...
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Lord Redwood | 461 c160 (Link to this contribution) Of course, when I say that those cases could be covered by the legislation, that would be with a vie...
Speaker | 461 c162 (Link to this contribution) I ask the Serjeant at Arms to investigate the delay in the Aye Lobby.
Gerry Sutcliffe | 461 c161-2 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to look at that again. It is certainly not our intention to limit or to water down. We ha...
Viscount Hailsham | 461 c161 (Link to this contribution) Nevertheless, the Minister also has powers to limit the liability to particular classes of instituti...
Ed Davey | 461 c156-7 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. and learned Gentleman is exactly right, so I will not detain the House by reading out...
Viscount Hailsham | 461 c156 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman does not have to look at the history, as it was only today that the Minister used...
Robert Smith | 461 c158 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman said that the coroner would blame Parliament and the Government for not bri...
John Denham | 461 c157-8 (Link to this contribution) I must confess that intellectually, it is hard to oppose the Lords amendments, which are entirely co...
Viscount Hailsham | 461 c158-9 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Southampton, Itchen (Mr. Denham). He made a sou...
John Denham | 461 c158 (Link to this contribution) Indeed, the Government would get the blame. They would be held responsible when there was an inquest...
John Denham | 461 c160 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman confirm, however, that none of us has ever suggested that the great ma...
Lord Redwood | 461 c159 (Link to this contribution) I support the comments of my hon. Friend the Member for Beaconsfield (Mr. Grieve) and my right hon. ...
Ed Davey | 461 c156 (Link to this contribution) This is one of those slightly surreal debates that we have in the House. The Government say that the...
Andrew Dismore | 461 c155-6 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a valid point, as did the right hon. and learned Member for Sleaford and No...
Ed Davey | 461 c155 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman and the Joint Committee on Human Rights, which he chairs, have made a distinguish...
Dominic Grieve | 461 c152 (Link to this contribution) This is very nice. The Minister, with his customary charm, has come to the Dispatch Box to argue the...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 461 c151-2 (Link to this contribution) I seem to have difficulty in debates with the hon. and learned Gentleman in getting him to accept my...
Lord Garnier | 461 c151 (Link to this contribution) I am probably being obtuse, but I simply do not understand how the Minister, on behalf of the Govern...
Andrew Dismore | 461 c155 (Link to this contribution) I readily accept that those concessions are important, as I did during our previous debate on the Bi...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 461 c154-5 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend accepts that the Government have moved a tremendous distance. The Government accept t...
Andrew Dismore | 461 c154 (Link to this contribution) There was a lot in what the hon. Member for Beaconsfield (Mr. Grieve) said. However, to be fair to t...
Dominic Grieve | 461 c152-4 (Link to this contribution) I could not agree more with my right hon. and learned Friend. Indeed, Back-Bench supporters of the G...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 461 c151 (Link to this contribution) I agree, and I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his involvement in Committee and in other discussio...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 461 c145 (Link to this contribution) This is not window dressing. This is a serious movement by the Government, from a position of not ac...
Dominic Grieve | 461 c145 (Link to this contribution) If the Government have now accepted the principle, they must be able to estimate how long it will ta...
Ed Davey | 461 c146 (Link to this contribution) The Minister keeps on telling the House that the Government have accepted this in principle. However...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 461 c145 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for raising that point. I expected him to do so, and I expect ot...
Viscount Hailsham | 461 c146 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister accept that this is not only about the timetable? In proposed new subsection (5B) ...
Lord Garnier | 461 c147 (Link to this contribution) If those arguments are of any value, why do they not apply to railway companies, for example?
Gerry Sutcliffe | 461 c147 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the right hon. Gentleman’s intervention, but I reject the idea that the Bill is a ...
Lord Redwood | 461 c146-7 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister not see that as far as the public are concerned, if the 5,890 people who died of me...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 461 c146 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman will allow me to make my speech, he will hear why I am pursuing the arguments ...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 461 c145 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That this House insists on its disagreement with the Lords in their amendments Nos. 2...
David Heath | 461 c145 (Link to this contribution) I wish to explore the compromise issue. If the compromise is only in terms of commencement and the M...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 461 c151 (Link to this contribution) Mr. Speaker, I am not going to engage. The Bill is important.
Gerry Sutcliffe | 461 c150 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman may have read the explanatory notes and seen that we expect 10 or 11 cases....
Dominic Grieve | 461 c150 (Link to this contribution) The Minister keeps on talking about the motivation for the Bill. I have no idea what the discussions...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 461 c150 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for my hon. Friend’s intervention and his involvement in this issue. I am grateful for...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 461 c150 (Link to this contribution) Mr. Speaker, I am admonished. I accept my responsibility. I do now recall the joint committee’s reco...
Andrew Dismore | 461 c150 (Link to this contribution) Just to complete the picture, the Joint Committee on Human Rights made such a recommendation before ...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 461 c151 (Link to this contribution) In a second. The Bill has been well scrutinised, as my hon. Friends have said. It has been welcomed ...
Stewart Hosie | 461 c148 (Link to this contribution) Is the Government’s logic not back to front? I understand the Minister’s argument that he wants time...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 461 c148-9 (Link to this contribution) I understand where the hon. Gentleman is coming from. He has followed the debates and he will know t...
Ed Davey | 461 c149 (Link to this contribution) The Minister’s remarks are slightly different from those he made when we last debated a similar amen...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 461 c149 (Link to this contribution) I am saying that the Government have accepted the principle. We are putting in place the two other c...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 461 c147-8 (Link to this contribution) We all agreed that, although this was a Bill that all of us wanted to see enacted, it would provide ...
Viscount Hailsham | 461 c148 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to return to the point that I made earlier, but the Minister says that he is putting a co...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 461 c148 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. and learned Gentleman will find, as we progress, that the Government’s amendment on t...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 461 c149 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his intervention. I certainly know of his track record of wantin...
Chris Mullin | 461 c149 (Link to this contribution) I acknowledge that my hon. Friend the Minister has moved a considerable way during the proceedings o...
John Denham | 461 c149-50 (Link to this contribution) I thought my hon. Friend the Minister said before he took the previous intervention that the issue o...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 461 c146 (Link to this contribution) I know that the right hon. and learned Gentleman takes a great interest in these matters. I hope dur...
Lord Redwood | 461 c150 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister give the House an idea of how many deaths last year would have been covered by the ...
Ian Stewart | 461 c151 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps my hon. Friend should have given way to me earlier, as I would have said exactly what he has...
Viscount Hailsham | 461 c152 (Link to this contribution) I agree with what my hon. Friend has said thus far, but if the compromise enabled the Minister in th...
Lord Redwood | 461 c160-1 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that clarification and reassurance. Deaths in custody are therefore among the bigg...
Subjects
Death Crown immunity Corporate manslaughter Hospitals Liability Health and safety Government departments Infectious diseases Immunity from prosecution Prosecutions Prisons Police custody MRSA Clostridium Prisons and Probation Ombudsman
Legislation
Corporate Manslaughter and Corporate Homicide Bill 2005-06 to 2006-07
Link
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