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Debate on bill and Committee proceeding on Wednesday, 30 April 2008, in the House of Lords.

Health and Social Care Bill

Health and Social Care Bill. Lords Committee stage third day. Clauses 2 and 3 agreed to. Schedule 2 agreed to. Grand Committee held in the Moses Room.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
701 c59-106GC 
Session
2007-08
Department
Department of Health
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Low of Dalston | 701 c100GC (Link to this contribution) That contribution does not leave much more to be said and it had the great merit of being a good dea...
Baroness Barker | 701 c99GC (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord concede that all members of the committee need that reassurance? Will he share w...
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Earl Howe | 701 c106GC (Link to this contribution) This has been a helpful short debate. I thank in particular the noble Baroness, Lady Howarth, for he...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 701 c62-3GC (Link to this contribution) I give warm support to the amendment. About 35 years ago, when I was dean of the medical school in t...
Baroness Murphy | 701 c64GC (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment. Others have spoken with great clarity on how nice NICE is. I am a great fan...
Earl Howe | 701 c71-3GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 22: 22: Clause 2, page 2, line 21, leave out subsection (4) The noble Earl sa...
Baroness Knight of Collingtree | 701 c73-4GC (Link to this contribution) I strongly support the comments that we have just heard. Unless we have genuinely independent regula...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c69-71GC (Link to this contribution) As the noble Earl, Lord Howe, outlined in his opening and powerfully argued remarks, which of course...
Lord Warner | 701 c78GC (Link to this contribution) That did not happen on my watch, as they say, but I strongly supported Monitor in the actions that i...
Baroness Cumberlege | 701 c75-6GC (Link to this contribution) I put my name to this amendment in support of my noble friend. I agree with a lot of what the noble ...
Baroness Tonge | 701 c80-1GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 24: 24: Clause 2, page 2, line 29, at end insert ““, and ( ) the promotion of ...
Earl Howe | 701 c82GC (Link to this contribution) Whatever the Minister is willing to do or not to do about putting statutory objectives in the Bill, ...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c83-4GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 24 would require the Care Quality Commission to perform its functions for the general ...
Baroness Barker | 701 c83GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Lipsey, for his intervention. I would be horrified if people o...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c84GC (Link to this contribution) And I am impressed with the people behind me. As such, through the forthcoming NHS carbon reduction...
Lord Low of Dalston | 701 c89GC (Link to this contribution) I have put my name to this amendment and would like to speak in support of it. It has been widely re...
Baroness Meacher | 701 c87-9GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak to Amendment No. 93 in this group which requires the Care Quality Commission to establ...
Lord Low of Dalston | 701 c89GC (Link to this contribution) I had just got going. I was quoting from Sir Ian Kennedy when he spoke to the Public Bill Committee ...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 701 c96-7GC (Link to this contribution) Where does one start? So many important things have been said. I start by congratulating the noble B...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c100-1GC (Link to this contribution) Would it be appropriate for me first to respond on behalf of the Government? Time is moving on. Nob...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 701 c99GC (Link to this contribution) They are not documents but discussions I have held as a chair of the Mental Health Act Commission. A...
Baroness Barker | 701 c97GC (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister accept that it is possible to explain to them that we have a parliamentary procedu...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 701 c97-9GC (Link to this contribution) It is nice of the noble Baroness to call me a Minister, but I am certainly not there. The reality is...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 701 c97GC (Link to this contribution) Staff have got the message from all quarters that the Bill is passing through Parliament.
Earl Howe | 701 c102-4GC (Link to this contribution) There are all kinds of areas that we could cover in debating clause stand part, but we have already ...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c104GC (Link to this contribution) As usual, the noble Earl was admirably brief and to the point. As he will know, the transfer of resp...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 701 c104-5GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to intervene but I find doing so irresistible. During the passage of the legislation that...
Earl Howe | 701 c59-61GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 21: 21: Clause 2, page 2, line 20, at end insert— ““( ) the need to provide eq...
Baroness Meacher | 701 c61-2GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak briefly to Amendments Nos. 71 and 88 and to endorse the excellent contribution of the ...
Earl Howe | 701 c71GC (Link to this contribution) I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in this debate, which has been very good. I thank the Mi...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c71GC (Link to this contribution) I shall let the noble Baroness and other Members of the Committee know the answer to that. While I w...
Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 701 c65-6GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Warner, is an experienced hand in these matters and his words are wise and wort...
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 701 c69GC (Link to this contribution) Following the noble Lord, Lord Kirkwood, who is an expert in making suppositories, I must declare an...
Baroness Cumberlege | 701 c78GC (Link to this contribution) Is the noble Lord aware of the time when the Department of Health, through its chief executive, chal...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 701 c77GC (Link to this contribution) I have said on many occasions in your Lordships’ House that we are in serious danger of living in an...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 701 c76-7GC (Link to this contribution) I will be brief. Having tried to rise several times, I have almost lost my impetus. I have been invo...
Baroness Cumberlege | 701 c76GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness. This subsection should not be in the Bill. It compromises the i...
Baroness Knight of Collingtree | 701 c76GC (Link to this contribution) It would be very odd if a commission sought to act against a clear law of any Government. Surely any...
Earl Howe | 701 c79-80GC (Link to this contribution) It is the context of the Bill as a whole that I was trying to bring to life. I do not think that any...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c78-9GC (Link to this contribution) I thank all noble Lords for an interesting discussion. I should say to the noble Baroness, Lady Bark...
Baroness Tonge | 701 c81-2GC (Link to this contribution) I am delighted that we had a break just at that moment because I am sure that it has given the Minis...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c85GC (Link to this contribution) I am not frightened; I have been using them all the way through my explanation. If I may, I shall go...
Baroness Tonge | 701 c84GC (Link to this contribution) I confess to being a little confused by that. All that we propose in our amendment is to include in ...
Baroness Tonge | 701 c85GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply, but the Committee is becoming a bit like that programme on Radi...
Baroness Meacher | 701 c89GC (Link to this contribution) The points that the noble Lord has made relate to mental health as well as to social care. For peopl...
Baroness Barker | 701 c97GC (Link to this contribution) I take the noble Lord’s point that we are where we are. Where we are at the moment is that we have a...
Baroness Tonge | 701 c94-6GC (Link to this contribution) I support Amendments Nos. 25 and 93. In the event of the Bill being passed, I should like to see eit...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 701 c91-2GC (Link to this contribution) I find myself in difficulty at this moment. In principle, I would very much like to support Amendmen...
Baroness Murphy | 701 c92-4GC (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak to Amendment No. 93 and shall put my medical historian hat on for a moment. I am not...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 701 c100GC (Link to this contribution) In the interests of time, I shall be extremely brief. I wholly accept the principle, having accused ...
Baroness Barker | 701 c99GC (Link to this contribution) I listened carefully to what the noble Lord said. I understand entirely his point about the duties o...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 701 c99GC (Link to this contribution) I am anxious that we have somebody in place with whom we can take forward the discussions that we ha...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c106GC (Link to this contribution) This may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn until Tuesday 6 May at 3.30 pm. To thos...
Baroness Barker | 701 c101GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness will be aware that on the basis of the recruitment material publicly available so...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c101-2GC (Link to this contribution) I do not think that there is any evidence to suggest that. Indeed, in her exchange with my noble fri...
Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 701 c59GC (Link to this contribution) Before we begin, I remind the Committee that, if there is a Division in the Chamber, the Committee w...
Baroness Cumberlege | 701 c63-4GC (Link to this contribution) I, too, put my name to these amendments and I endorse what the noble Lord, Lord Walton, has just sai...
Lord Warner | 701 c64-5GC (Link to this contribution) I wish to make a few observations, but first I should declare an interest in that I was the Minister...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 701 c71GC (Link to this contribution) While the noble Baroness is on that point, could she say what the timescale is for that consultation...
Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 701 c66-9GC (Link to this contribution) I was concurring with the noble Lord, Lord Warner, and the noble Baroness, Lady Cumberlege, about th...
Lord Low of Dalston | 701 c74GC (Link to this contribution) I do not want to delay the Committee either, but my name is attached to the amendment and I want bri...
Lord Warner | 701 c77-8GC (Link to this contribution) I will say a few words as the Minister who took the 2003 Act through, which had exactly the same wor...
Baroness Barker | 701 c74-5GC (Link to this contribution) As noble Lords will appreciate from our debate on the first day in Committee, I strongly support the...
Lord Lipsey | 701 c82-3GC (Link to this contribution) Ministers might be forgiven for starting to think that there was an umbilical cord running around ev...
Lord Lipsey | 701 c85-7GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 25: 25: Clause 2, page 2, line 29, at end insert— ““(6) The Commission shall e...
Lord Geddes | 701 c94GC (Link to this contribution) The Committee can now resume. I apologise to the noble Baroness for interrupting her so rudely, but ...
Baroness Murphy | 701 c94GC (Link to this contribution) Thank you. I was nearly at the end of my diatribe about my view that we must have at least a nationa...
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 701 c96GC (Link to this contribution) I shall be very brief. I must disagree with my noble friend, Lord Low, about the priority of hospita...
Lord Low of Dalston | 701 c90-1GC (Link to this contribution) I am happy to acknowledge that. Forgive me for shorthanding my presentation. The noble Baroness’s po...
Lord Geddes | 701 c94GC (Link to this contribution) A Division has been called in the Chamber. The Grand Committee stands adjourned until 10 minutes to ...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c105-6GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness is right. Regulation and the delivery of services are completely different. The p...
Lord Lipsey | 701 c102GC (Link to this contribution) Briefly, although I can see where it comes from, I do not believe that the silo argument holds water...
Subjects
Children Health services Environment Drugs Medical treatments Mental health services Medicine National Institute for Health and Care Excellence Scotland Social services Healthcare Commission Commission for Social Care Inspection Care Quality Commission
Legislation
Health and Social Care Bill 2007-08
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