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Debate on Thursday, 3 July 2008, in the House of Commons, led by Baroness Harman. The answering member was Baroness May of Maidenhead.

Members' Salaries

Debate on Sir John Baker's review of Parliamentary pay and allowances (Cm 7416) and motions relating to Members' salaries. Main questions on amendments relating to members' salaries negatived on divisions (196 to 155) and (216 to 141) Main Question put:— The House divided: Ayes 141, Noes 216.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
478 c1061-88 
Session
2007-08
Department
Leader of the House of Commons
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
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Proceeding contributions
John Butterfill | 478 c1071 (Link to this contribution) I am a little puzzled by the hon. Gentleman's proposals on pensions. I am not at all sure—I have not...
Tony Lloyd | 478 c1071-2 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman, who probably knows more about parliamentary pensions than anyon...
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Andrew Love | 478 c1072 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that the combination of catch-up that we would forgo and two and a half ye...
Tony Lloyd | 478 c1072 (Link to this contribution) Except, of course, that the level that Members would be at would not differ from what it would be if...
Lord Spicer | 478 c1070-1 (Link to this contribution) I have very cordial relations with my opposite number, but may I ask him what is so special about th...
Tony Lloyd | 478 c1071 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman anticipates exactly what I was coming on to say, so let me continue with my expla...
Lord Beamish | 478 c1071 (Link to this contribution) Does not my hon. Friend's amendment basically push payments into the next Parliament? In one case, f...
Tony Lloyd | 478 c1071 (Link to this contribution) Under any independent system, MPs will have no say over their salaries, irrespective of whether they...
Tony Lloyd | 478 c1070 (Link to this contribution) The House certainly owes Sir John Baker a considerable measure of gratitude for setting out, as he i...
John Butterfill | 478 c1078-80 (Link to this contribution) I fear that where we are now is not where we expected to be when we last had a debate on this subjec...
Speaker | 478 c1080 (Link to this contribution) Order. I am sorry to cut off the hon. Gentleman, but he has had his eight minutes.
Lord Touhig | 478 c1076-7 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that. It shows that the House is united in wishing to resolve the matter. The ame...
Lord Cormack | 478 c1077-8 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to follow the right hon. Member for Islwyn (Mr. Touhig). I strongly support what he s...
Baroness Browning | 478 c1081-3 (Link to this contribution) I have taken a close interest in this subject since being, in a former existence, the shadow Leader ...
Speaker | 478 c1080 (Link to this contribution) Order. I dare say that the House could listen to some speeches for a considerable length of time thi...
Lord Spicer | 478 c1076 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman may wish to know that every member of the 18-man executive committee of the...
Lord Touhig | 478 c1074-5 (Link to this contribution) It is always a privilege to follow the right hon. Member for Penrith and The Border (David Maclean),...
Baroness Harman | 478 c1063 (Link to this contribution) The Government's approach to dealing with the danger of inflation and wanting to ensure that interes...
Baroness Harman | 478 c1063 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for that helpful information. That view is shared in all parties. It is t...
Jim Sheridan | 478 c1063 (Link to this contribution) I understand where my right hon. and learned Friend is coming from in that, if we accept Baker's rec...
Baroness Harman | 478 c1062 (Link to this contribution) We take the view that the recommendation is not consistent with the Government's pay policy and appr...
Oliver Heald | 478 c1062-3 (Link to this contribution) The Leader of the House knows that I sit on the Committee on Standards in Public Life. It may be for...
Baroness Harman | 478 c1061-2 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That this House notes Sir John Baker's Review of Parliamentary Pay and Allowances (Cm...
Simon Hughes | 478 c1062 (Link to this contribution) Are the Government taking a different view of the Baker recommendations on pay because they believe ...
Speaker | 478 c1061 (Link to this contribution) Before I invite the Leader of the House to move the first motion relating to Members' salaries, it m...
Christopher Chope | 478 c1063 (Link to this contribution) Will the Leader of the House give way?
Baroness Harman | 478 c1063 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps it would assist the House if I made some progress. I will take interventions if I have not d...
Baroness Harman | 478 c1064-5 (Link to this contribution) I would not say that those proposals have been rejected out of hand. They were not Sir John's prefer...
Christopher Chope | 478 c1065-6 (Link to this contribution) The terms of reference that the right hon. and learned Lady gave Sir John Baker were to"““ensure tha...
Baroness Harman | 478 c1066 (Link to this contribution) I make no criticism of the work that Sir John has done in his review. When a review is commissioned,...
Baroness Harman | 478 c1063 (Link to this contribution) Thank you. Let me consider the comparator—the index to which MPs' pay should be pegged in future. S...
Baroness Harman | 478 c1064 (Link to this contribution) I can deal with all the points as I go along, but it would probably be better for hon. Members to he...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 478 c1068 (Link to this contribution) Hon. Members are suggesting that I should just accept that, because the right hon. Gentleman, who ch...
Lord Spellar | 478 c1067 (Link to this contribution) If the right hon. Lady is basing her policy on that, I am afraid that she is basing it on a misappre...
Lord Spellar | 478 c1067 (Link to this contribution) Did we not get into this difficulty in the first place by being linked to pay rates rather than to e...
Simon Hughes | 478 c1068-70 (Link to this contribution) We are now having the debate that we all knew we had to have, and I take a very simple view on this ...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 478 c1068 (Link to this contribution) I hoped that I had made it clear that I do not totally disagree with Sir John's proposals. I agree w...
John Butterfill | 478 c1068 (Link to this contribution) Has my right hon. Friend not studied in detail Sir John Baker's recommendations? In particular, para...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 478 c1066-7 (Link to this contribution) Like the Government, the official Opposition will not be offering a wind-up speech today, in order t...
Baroness Harman | 478 c1066 (Link to this contribution) We are making an alternative proposal to that which Sir John Baker has put forward. We are also prop...
Simon Hughes | 478 c1066 (Link to this contribution) I understand the Government's position. They took a similar position when they asked somebody to adv...
Peter Bottomley | 478 c1080-1 (Link to this contribution) If the House did not hear the last remark by my hon. Friend the Member for Bournemouth, West (Sir Jo...
John Butterfill | 478 c1064 (Link to this contribution) Does the Leader of the House also agree that the Government's proposals and, indeed, those that they...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 478 c1067 (Link to this contribution) One of the important things that we shall be able to do today is to take this whole issue away from ...
Lord Blencathra | 478 c1072-4 (Link to this contribution) When this matter was last discussed, I was one of those Members who argued strongly that some of us ...
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Disclosure of information Allowances Pay Members Business expenses
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