Legislative debate on Wednesday, 9 July 2008, in the House of Commons, led by John Healey. The answering member was Robert Neill.
Council Tax
Draft Council Tax Limitation (Maximum Amounts) (England) Order 2008. Debate on a motion to approve. Agreed to on division (277 votes to 45).
Secondary information
- Type
- Parliamentary proceeding
- Reference
- 478 c1482-511
- Session
- 2007-08
- Department
- Department for Communities and Local Government
- Chamber / Committee
- House of Commons chamber
- Related items
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Council Tax Limitation (Maximum Amounts) (England) Order 2008
Thursday, 26 June 2008
Statutory instruments
House of Commons
House of Lords
- Proceeding contributions
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Speaker | 478 c1482 (Link to this contribution) Before we start the debate, it may help if I offer the House guidance on the scope of debate on the ...
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John Hayes | 478 c1502 (Link to this contribution) Yes, indeed. It is not only an implicit acknowledgement of the scale of the problem, but, as my righ...
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John Hayes | 478 c1502 (Link to this contribution) I shall happily give way to my hon. Friend, who is an assiduous champion of his constituents' intere...
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Mark Simmonds | 478 c1502 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend give way?
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John Hayes | 478 c1502-3 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend brings to the debate an understanding and a knowledge that I could not hope to emulat...
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Mark Simmonds | 478 c1502 (Link to this contribution) I think that my hon. Friend is coming to the crux of his remarks. He is absolutely right that there ...
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Viscount Hailsham | 478 c1505 (Link to this contribution) Is my hon. Friend aware that the Lincolnshire force produced an economic recovery plan, which was su...
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Mark Simmonds | 478 c1503-5 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for South Holland and The Deepings (Mr. Hayes),...
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John Hayes | 478 c1507 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend add a third request? He could echo my call for an urgent meeting between Ministe...
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Mark Simmonds | 478 c1505-7 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. and learned Friend makes a fundamental point, and he is right. The issue goes even fur...
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Mark Simmonds | 478 c1507 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right; if Ministers are willing, I will be more than happy to participa...
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John Healey | 478 c1509 (Link to this contribution) I shall not give way; I am going to conclude on this point. On the contrary—and this is my final wo...
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John Healey | 478 c1507-8 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to have the support of those on the Conservative Benches in introducing the order, even...
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Lembit Opik | 478 c1508 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister give way?
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Lord Davies of Stamford | 478 c1497 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. and learned Gentleman give way?
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John Hayes | 478 c1498-9 (Link to this contribution) The characteristic that my right hon. and learned Friend is describing with such eloquence is that o...
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Viscount Hailsham | 478 c1497-8 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not give way. I had to give way to the hon. Gentleman when he sat on these Benches. I am ...
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Mark Simmonds | 478 c1499 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. and learned Friend is eloquently putting the balanced case that is of great concern to...
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Viscount Hailsham | 478 c1499 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has put it more eloquently than I have and I am extremely grateful to him. There has...
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Viscount Hailsham | 478 c1499 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that that is right. Thinking back to when I had dealings with the formula, which I always ...
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Lembit Opik | 478 c1499-500 (Link to this contribution) Incidentally, I find visitors from eastern Europe quite charming, especially those from Romania. My ...
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Viscount Hailsham | 478 c1500 (Link to this contribution) There is some truth in that. May I speak as a barrister, just for a moment? I practise in the crimin...
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John Hayes | 478 c1500-2 (Link to this contribution) It is an immense pleasure to follow my right hon. and learned Friend the Member for Sleaford and Nor...
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Viscount Hailsham | 478 c1502 (Link to this contribution) May I just refer to the point that my hon. Friend made about allowing the precept to rise by about 2...
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Lord Davies of Stamford | 478 c1486 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend state the saving to a band D householder in Lincolnshire as a result of the meas...
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John Healey | 478 c1486 (Link to this contribution) That is an important question; it is the question that many people in Lincolnshire will ask. The ans...
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Keith Vaz | 478 c1488-9 (Link to this contribution) It is always a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Bromley and Chislehurst (Robert Neill). We ser...
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Keith Vaz | 478 c1489-90 (Link to this contribution) Clearly, the Select Committee may examine that subject in future. We are reaching the end of our six...
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Viscount Hailsham | 478 c1487 (Link to this contribution) I think that my hon. Friend will find that our hon. Friends will say that there is a structural prob...
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Robert Neill | 478 c1487 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. and learned Friend for making that point, which he raised when the fu...
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Mark Simmonds | 478 c1487 (Link to this contribution) I want to make my hon. Friend aware that the operation of the funding formula is so penal in its imp...
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Robert Neill | 478 c1487-8 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has reinforced the point. In the earlier debate, the Government were put on notice of...
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Robert Neill | 478 c1493 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the hon. Gentleman will take on board the fact that I quite deliberately said that the cappi...
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Lembit Opik | 478 c1491-3 (Link to this contribution) This rare usage of the central check on council tax goes to show, with more significance than ever b...
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Keith Vaz | 478 c1490-1 (Link to this contribution) As I said at the start, the hon. Gentleman knows much more about what is happening in Lincolnshire t...
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John Hayes | 478 c1490 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman makes an interesting point, but would he differentiate between the burden o...
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Speaker | 478 c1493 (Link to this contribution) Were it not, I certainly would have stopped the hon. Gentleman, but I am sure that he has heard the ...
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Lembit Opik | 478 c1493-4 (Link to this contribution) I am not surprised to see that, with all the contradictions in their policies, the Conservatives are...
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John Hayes | 478 c1493 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. This is a very short debate and many Lincolnshire Members w...
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John Healey | 478 c1483-4 (Link to this contribution) The police authority told us that to put in place a balanced budget, it needed £5.3 million more tha...
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Viscount Hailsham | 478 c1483 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has fairly said that this is to be effectively a standstill budget for Lincolnshire. Do...
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John Healey | 478 c1483 (Link to this contribution) That will indeed be the case. We propose to designate Leicestershire, Warwickshire and Cheshire poli...
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John Hayes | 478 c1484 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has acknowledged in the House that Lincolnshire has specific problems, and he was good ...
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John Healey | 478 c1484 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is always assiduous in making a strong case for his area's interests, but the pol...
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Lembit Opik | 478 c1484 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the Minister has missed the principle. I served on Newcastle city council when it was capped...
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John Healey | 478 c1484 (Link to this contribution) The decision reflects aspects of the case, to which we listened carefully and which we accepted, mad...
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Mark Simmonds | 478 c1484 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for giving way—he has been extremely generous. Does he accept and ackn...
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John Healey | 478 c1486 (Link to this contribution) Lincolnshire proposed some costs for the likely rebilling exercise. In its press release responding ...
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Robert Neill | 478 c1485 (Link to this contribution) I do not intend to interrupt the Minister again. Simply for information, may I ask him whether any c...
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John Healey | 478 c1485 (Link to this contribution) I am interested that the hon. Gentleman is saying that the Liberal Democrats would abolish council t...
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Lembit Opik | 478 c1485 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to pursue a dialogue with the Minister, but he cannot have it both ways. Either he is ...
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Viscount Hailsham | 478 c1489 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman said that the Home Affairs Committee had received many comments from chief ...
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Viscount Hailsham | 478 c1497 (Link to this contribution) The House has just heard a rather disagreeable attack on my hon. Friend the Member for Bromley and C...
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Lembit Opik | 478 c1493 (Link to this contribution) I simply do not understand why the hon. Gentleman feels that that intervention—eloquent though it wa...
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Keith Vaz | 478 c1483 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend the Minister for the way in which both he and the Minister for Security, Coun...
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John Healey | 478 c1482-3 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That the draft Council Tax Limitation (Maximum Amounts) (England) Order 2008, which w...
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Robert Neill | 478 c1486-7 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for the careful and courteous way in which he has introduced the order. I am su...
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Lord Davies of Stamford | 478 c1494-7 (Link to this contribution) I was rather brought up to believe that the prime and foundational task of a Member of Parliament wa...
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John Healey | 478 c1484-5 (Link to this contribution) These are reserve powers. The decision to cap is not one that the Government take lightly. I am the ...
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