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Queen's speech debate on Thursday, 11 December 2008, in the House of Commons, led by Lord Lansley. The answering member was Ed Balls.

Health and Education

Queen's speech debate (fifth day) on health and education. Amendment to loyal address negatived on division (270 to 180).

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Parliamentary proceeding
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485 c707-84 
Session
2008-09
Department
Department for Children, Schools and Families
Procedure
Addresses to the Crown
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House of Commons chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Annette Brooke | 485 c750 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the hon. Lady on the points she has made so far. Does she agree that one major proble...
Sharon Hodgson | 485 c748-50 (Link to this contribution) I shall follow your advice, Madam Deputy Speaker, and I am grateful for your patience. My focus tod...
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Sharon Hodgson | 485 c751 (Link to this contribution) I do not have great expertise in the subject, but I take the hon. Gentleman's word that what he desc...
Fraser Kemp | 485 c752 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend mentioned the right to training. Soon, millions of workers in Britain who did not fai...
Sharon Hodgson | 485 c750 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady for her intervention. We have worked together a lot in the course of my privat...
Jeremy Wright | 485 c751 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady agree that one of the problems in enabling young prisoners to continue their educ...
Lord Horam | 485 c754 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a point that resonates in Bromley and my area—which is not dissimilar to his, a...
Lee Scott | 485 c754-5 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for that observation. Of course, there is a problem attached to polyclinics. ...
Sharon Hodgson | 485 c752 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has made a valid point, which I was not going to cover in my speech, so I thank him f...
Lee Scott | 485 c752-4 (Link to this contribution) I should like to start by making it clear that I pay tribute to members of the NHS—doctors, nurses a...
Ed Balls | 485 c780-1 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that I can give no such guarantee. We are doing the right thing—bringing forward our cap...
Andrew Gwynne | 485 c780 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend will be pleased to hear that Stockport, an authority in the later stages of Bui...
Ed Balls | 485 c780 (Link to this contribution) If the Opposition told us where the axe would fall, we would know which school to visit, but it is r...
David Chaytor | 485 c780 (Link to this contribution) Might it not be extremely useful if I made a point of inviting my right hon. Friend to the school mo...
Ed Balls | 485 c779 (Link to this contribution) That is a helpful clarification that The Sunday Times was wrong on that point. The hon. Member for ...
Lord Gove | 485 c779 (Link to this contribution) I explained in my speech, when I referred to the remarks by the hon. Member for Birmingham, Yardley,...
Ed Balls | 485 c779-80 (Link to this contribution) The appointment will be made by the local safeguarding board. In Haringey, that board is now indepen...
John Hemming | 485 c779 (Link to this contribution) He who pays the piper calls the tune. Who will appoint the independent chair of a serious case revie...
Lord Gove | 485 c776-7 (Link to this contribution) I shall wait to see what the Secretary of State actually pledges to commit to education spending. Un...
Ed Balls | 485 c777-8 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Member for Surrey Heath (Michael Gove) for giving me advance notice of som...
Ed Balls | 485 c778 (Link to this contribution) I have done, and I have made it clear that no serious case review should be chaired by anyone other ...
Graham Stuart | 485 c778 (Link to this contribution) As the Secretary of State will be aware, the chief inspector of Ofsted told the Select Committee yes...
Ed Balls | 485 c779 (Link to this contribution) I can—I explained it this morning, but I will set it out in further detail. Ofsted's figures use a w...
Lord Gove | 485 c776 (Link to this contribution) In just a few minutes' time, the Secretary of State will have an opportunity to speak for 15 minutes...
Ed Balls | 485 c776 (Link to this contribution) Can the hon. Gentleman guarantee that he and his party will match the DCSF's public spending on educ...
Lord Gove | 485 c775 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State will have an opportunity to respond in due course. I must make progress if I ...
Lord Gove | 485 c775-6 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State will have an opportunity in a second. The Secretary of State should apprecia...
Lord Gove | 485 c775 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State will have an opportunity in a second. I am afraid, however, that like many t...
Lord Gove | 485 c772-5 (Link to this contribution) I thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and the Government Front-Bench team for their understanding in allo...
Jeremy Wright | 485 c770 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right about that. The timetable for research is also slipping. The Gove...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 485 c770 (Link to this contribution) I pay tribute to my hon. Friend's work on the all-party group on dementia. Does he agree that it is ...
Jeremy Wright | 485 c771-2 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree. The problem with dementia is that they have got you coming and going. A doctor wil...
Rob Marris | 485 c770-1 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making a well-informed and thoughtful speech. A moment ago, he referred to tra...
David Chaytor | 485 c766-7 (Link to this contribution) That is an important point, but I do not agree with the hon. Lady, because the statement by the Secr...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 485 c767 (Link to this contribution) Would I be right to infer from the hon. Gentleman's comments that the Labour party is against school...
David Chaytor | 485 c767-8 (Link to this contribution) With respect, that is a pretty fatuous question, because obviously I am not. My point is that there ...
Jeremy Wright | 485 c768-70 (Link to this contribution) I shall focus on just one aspect of today's discussion about the Government's programme of activity ...
Annette Brooke | 485 c766 (Link to this contribution) Like the hon. Gentleman, I applaud the movement towards looking at important objectives such as soci...
David Chaytor | 485 c764-5 (Link to this contribution) That is an extremely important point, and it highlights the crucial significance of greater co-opera...
Fraser Kemp | 485 c764 (Link to this contribution) I talked to the head of children's services in my local authority, and a key point that they wanted ...
David Chaytor | 485 c764 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes an important point. At yesterday's meeting of the Children, Schools and Fam...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 485 c764 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that it is a perverse intellectual dichotomy that, every month of the ...
John Hemming | 485 c763 (Link to this contribution) As a member of the Procedure Committee, let me say that the Committee is considering such issues. If...
John Hemming | 485 c758-63 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to see that the Secretary of State for Children, Schools and Families is back in his pl...
David Chaytor | 485 c763 (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak briefly in support of the new proposals on health and education in the Queen's Speec...
Siobhain McDonagh | 485 c755-8 (Link to this contribution) I want to focus on the proposed Bill to give the NHS a constitution. Unlike the hon. Member for Gain...
Sharon Hodgson | 485 c748 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to be able to speak in the debate on education and health in response to the Gracious...
Speaker | 485 c748 (Link to this contribution) Order. I gave the hon. Lady some leeway, but she must now confine her remarks to those subjects abou...
Siobhain McDonagh | 485 c748 (Link to this contribution) I see foundation hospitals in exactly the opposite way. Out of the 107 foundation hospitals that hav...
Edward Leigh | 485 c748 (Link to this contribution) That may be a good point. Perhaps the principle behind foundation hospitals is right, but we have no...
David Chaytor | 485 c746 (Link to this contribution) Surely in France the vast majority of private schools are state schools under any other name, becaus...
Edward Leigh | 485 c746-7 (Link to this contribution) I am not saying that the system is exactly comparable, and I know that many parents in France go to ...
Fraser Kemp | 485 c747 (Link to this contribution) I have considerable sympathy with the earlier remarks that the hon. Gentleman made in his capacity a...
Norman Lamb | 485 c731-2 (Link to this contribution) That is certainly an option. I share the hon. Gentleman's concern that village shops are under enorm...
Rob Marris | 485 c732 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that it is nonsense that in the European Union—of which the United Kin...
Norman Lamb | 485 c732-3 (Link to this contribution) I absolutely agree with that. It is remarkable that that still occurs in this day and age. This is w...
Barry Sheerman | 485 c733-5 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to be called to speak in this important debate. Sometimes we on the Back Benches w...
John Hemming | 485 c736 (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Gentleman probably knows, I have been studying the systemic aspects, and trying to estab...
Barry Sheerman | 485 c736 (Link to this contribution) I know of and respect the hon. Gentleman's work, and I will be as helpful as possible in my role as ...
Lord Horam | 485 c736 (Link to this contribution) Did the hon. Gentleman's Committee discover why there was such a practice?
Norman Lamb | 485 c730-1 (Link to this contribution) I made the point that there would be many circumstances in which such an approach would be inappropr...
Edward Leigh | 485 c731 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman and I represent similar rural constituencies. Although I have absolutely no brief...
David Leslie Taylor | 485 c741 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman says that efficiency is a boring topic. Certainly to an accountant such as myself...
Barry Sheerman | 485 c739-40 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, but I rather like the child trust funds. Earlier, the Liberal Democrat spokesman, the ho...
Edward Leigh | 485 c740-1 (Link to this contribution) It is always a pleasure to listen to the hon. Member for Huddersfield (Mr. Sheerman) for half an hou...
David Chaytor | 485 c746 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Norman Lamb | 485 c745 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is supporting Liberal Democrat policy.
Edward Leigh | 485 c745-6 (Link to this contribution) It may be Liberal Democrat policy—what do I care? If I see a good policy, I will embrace it—but it i...
Barry Sheerman | 485 c737-8 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree with my hon. Friend on that point. Social workers do a great job. Yes, we should lo...
Greg Mulholland | 485 c738-9 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right that the evidence shows that the investment has to be made in the early ...
David Leslie Taylor | 485 c737 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that the occasionally poor reputation that social workers have is rooted i...
Alan Johnson | 485 c722-3 (Link to this contribution) I will make some progress, if my hon. Friend does not mind. There has been a significant expansion i...
Rob Marris | 485 c723 (Link to this contribution) On health, a major cost to the NHS is diabetes, and recent research suggests that there may be a lin...
Alan Johnson | 485 c723 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend raises an important point about coeliac disease, and of course I, or one of my fellow...
Madeleine Moon | 485 c721 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that one of this Government's great successes has been their suicide...
Alan Johnson | 485 c721 (Link to this contribution) It took three attempts, but my hon. Friend has made his point well and eloquently. As I mentioned e...
Rob Marris | 485 c722 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way?
Alan Johnson | 485 c721-2 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a good point. I wish that I had not given way, because she has stolen my thunde...
Barry Sheerman | 485 c721 (Link to this contribution) On his journey from his Hull constituency to Bury, my right hon. Friend will pass through Huddersfie...
David Chaytor | 485 c721 (Link to this contribution) Before we leave the topic of the reorganisation of maternity services and the development of much st...
Alan Johnson | 485 c721 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend should be gentle with the hon. Member for South Cambridgeshire (Mr. Lansley), who has...
Norman Lamb | 485 c720 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State made an important point about dealing with under-doctored areas. It has long ...
Alan Johnson | 485 c720-1 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Children, Schools and Families was saying that it wa...
Speaker | 485 c720 (Link to this contribution) That is certainly not a point of order for me, but the hon. Gentleman has made his position clear.
Alan Johnson | 485 c720 (Link to this contribution) What my hon. Friend the Member for Bury, North was about to point out is that we have got off second...
Lord Lansley | 485 c720 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. ...I do not want the hon. Member for Bury, North inadverte...
Speaker | 485 c720 (Link to this contribution) Order. That is an extremely long intervention—I think that the hon. Gentleman has more than made his...
David Chaytor | 485 c720 (Link to this contribution) My recollection of the shadow Secretary of State's last visit to my constituency is that he was not ...
Alan Johnson | 485 c719 (Link to this contribution) Now, the Opposition are mixing up two separate issues: the reconfiguration of maternity services—whi...
David Chaytor | 485 c729-30 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman not realise that in most general practitioner practices and in most hospital...
Norman Lamb | 485 c726-7 (Link to this contribution) But the Healthcare Commission drew attention, too, to the fact that there were areas of serious conc...
Norman Lamb | 485 c727-8 (Link to this contribution) I share that concern, and because it is so fundamentally important that we get such decisions right,...
John Hemming | 485 c727 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is well aware that I have been concerned about both false positives and false negativ...
Norman Lamb | 485 c728 (Link to this contribution) I would prefer something that encapsulates both, and acknowledges that there is an artificial divide...
Greg Mulholland | 485 c728 (Link to this contribution) First, the draft constitution specifically precludes discrimination on the basis of race, gender, di...
Norman Lamb | 485 c729 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the equality Bill, but one has to ask why age has been left out of the list of discriminat...
Ian Gibson | 485 c728 (Link to this contribution) The equality Bill is to deal with the first point that the hon. Member for Leeds, North-West (Greg M...
Norman Lamb | 485 c726 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the opportunity both to reflect on the state of these vital public services and the Govern...
Fraser Kemp | 485 c725 (Link to this contribution) If that spending was not matched by other political parties, has the Secretary of State made any est...
Alan Johnson | 485 c725-6 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. Up to now, the Opposition have sought to suggest that they are a...
Alan Johnson | 485 c723-4 (Link to this contribution) The current review is all about the issue of personalised care. It is about how we move away from a ...
Madeleine Moon | 485 c723 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Alan Johnson | 485 c725 (Link to this contribution) When the Opposition were in government the figure was £426 per person, but under this Government it ...
Alan Johnson | 485 c724-5 (Link to this contribution) Yes, pharmacy, on which there will be a report very soon. The response on the smoking issue is the b...
Rob Marris | 485 c713 (Link to this contribution) I am listening carefully to the hon. Gentleman. I have not yet made up my mind about the issue, but ...
Lord Lansley | 485 c713 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I recall that report, which contained no such reference. If international example and guidance ...
Lord Lansley | 485 c713-4 (Link to this contribution) No, it would raise the question why the ban does not work, because the percentage of illegal sales i...
John Hemming | 485 c712 (Link to this contribution) I met Lord Laming on Monday to discuss the review that he is to undertake. Does the hon. Gentleman s...
Norman Lamb | 485 c713 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman aware of the recommendations from the World Health Organisation? It set out si...
Lord Lansley | 485 c712-3 (Link to this contribution) I confess that I have not read the terms of reference of Lord Laming's review, so I shall leave that...
Kevin Barron | 485 c710 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman think that it is right and proper that dentists should say to parents, ““We'...
Lord Lansley | 485 c710-2 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman makes a different point. I am not asking dentists to tell parents that they...
Ed Balls | 485 c712 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way. For the most part, we have proceeded in this mat...
Alan Johnson | 485 c719 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to hear that. I think my hon. Friend is duty bound to inform the local population that ...
David Chaytor | 485 c719 (Link to this contribution) On that very point, my right hon. Friend knows that I have invited him to my constituency to open th...
Alan Johnson | 485 c719 (Link to this contribution) Once again, the Opposition use that tactic. They said in a press release issued in summer 2007 that ...
Lord Lansley | 485 c719 (Link to this contribution) I suggest that the Secretary of State should indeed go to Bury. As well as seeing the centre that th...
David Chaytor | 485 c719 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way?
Alan Johnson | 485 c718 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is absolutely right. That is why the strategy focuses on prevention, on what is done i...
Jeremy Wright | 485 c718 (Link to this contribution) May I return the Secretary of State to dementia? He said that the national dementia strategy will be...
Alan Johnson | 485 c718 (Link to this contribution) I believe that the Minister of State, Department of Health, my hon. Friend the Member for Corby (Phi...
Jeremy Wright | 485 c718 (Link to this contribution) The Government indicated that the research summit would be held this summer, but that did not happen...
Alan Johnson | 485 c718-9 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is seeking a definition of ““shortly””. The research conference will take place a...
Edward Leigh | 485 c717 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State forgive me if I do not make a party political point and refer to the fut...
Alan Johnson | 485 c716-7 (Link to this contribution) That will be tackled. The hon. Gentleman is right to say that there are unacceptable waiting times i...
Alan Johnson | 485 c716 (Link to this contribution) I welcome this opportunity to debate the measures in Her Majesty's Gracious Speech. The proposals on...
Alan Johnson | 485 c717 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is, of course, absolutely right. We published our stroke strategy a year ago, in ...
Rob Marris | 485 c714 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Lansley | 485 c714-6 (Link to this contribution) No, I gave way to the hon. Gentleman earlier, and I want to finish my speech, because time does not ...
Norman Lamb | 485 c714 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree with the Liberal Democrat view that there should be an entitlement wit...
Lord Lansley | 485 c714 (Link to this contribution) No, I do not propose to go down that path, which involves simply reintroducing more targets. We need...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 485 c709 (Link to this contribution) On the subject of platitudinous Labour soundbites, perhaps my hon. Friend recollects a vintage examp...
Lee Scott | 485 c710 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend share my concerns about orthodontic provision? Children have to travel vast dist...
Lord Lansley | 485 c709-10 (Link to this contribution) I am very concerned about that. The House will have an opportunity next Thursday to debate dentistry...
Lord Lansley | 485 c710 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right. The great majority of orthodontic work is provided privately, but work for ...
Lord Lansley | 485 c707 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"As an Amendment to the Address, at end add 'but regret the absence of measures in the...
Lord Lansley | 485 c707-8 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that. Legislative hyper-activity and lack of delivery are t...
Lord Lansley | 485 c708-9 (Link to this contribution) What I said was that Ministers probably think that silence betokens consent, but in my view silence ...
Ian Gibson | 485 c708 (Link to this contribution) I would be grateful if the hon. Gentleman repeated what he has just said. Did he say that the lack o...
Ann Coffey | 485 c778 (Link to this contribution) One of the failures identified in Haringey was the insufficient challenge by the local safeguarding ...
Lord McLoughlin | 485 c781 (Link to this contribution) claimed to move the closure (Standing Order No. 36). Question put forthwith, That the Question be n...
Edward Leigh | 485 c747-8 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that that follows. Let us remember that much of what I said was, for instance, about ...
Edward Leigh | 485 c746 (Link to this contribution) I was hoping that I would incite the hon. Gentleman to intervene.
Barry Sheerman | 485 c736 (Link to this contribution) The answer we got yesterday was that the volume of material would have been too great. I can underst...
Edward Leigh | 485 c741-5 (Link to this contribution) It is true that, at certain times, people make policy decisions and have to spend more, which may in...
Madeleine Moon | 485 c723 (Link to this contribution) I thank my right hon. Friend for giving way. One of the big problems for people with Parkinson's dis...
Lord Lansley | 485 c712 (Link to this contribution) I do. The right hon. Gentleman may or may not recall that I was vice-chair of the all-party parliame...
Norman Lamb | 485 c716 (Link to this contribution) I agree that substantial progress has been made on access to treatment, particularly in acute hospit...
Baroness Browning | 485 c717-8 (Link to this contribution) Following the NAO reports on dementia and stroke, the Government adopted the strategies that the Sec...
David Chaytor | 485 c763-4 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to hear that. It is an important matter that should be pursued. Although I do not want...
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Children Dental services Health Hospitals Education NHS Protection Mental health services Standards Schools Social work Social workers
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