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Legislative debate on Wednesday, 17 December 2008, in the House of Commons, led by Vincent Cable. The answering member was Stephen Timms.

Value Added Tax

Value Added Tax (Change of Rate) Order 2008 (SI 2008/3020). Motion to annul debated and negatived on division (223 votes to 303).

Secondary information

Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
485 c1133-61 
Session
2008-09
Department
Treasury
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Related items
Value Added Tax (Change of Rate) Order 2008
Monday, 24 November 2008
Statutory instruments
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Stephen Timms | 485 c1155 (Link to this contribution) Parliament has decided that it should be permissible to do exactly what we have done. The decision w...
Stephen Timms | 485 c1155 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right, of course. I think that that would be a very unwelcome move....
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Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 485 c1155 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister confirm that if the motion were to be supported that would effectively impose a ta...
Stephen Timms | 485 c1155 (Link to this contribution) Since I have mentioned the hon. Gentleman's shop, I shall give way to him.
Stephen Timms | 485 c1155-6 (Link to this contribution) That is a matter for every household to decide. It depends on the situation in which the household f...
Lord Randall of Uxbridge | 485 c1155 (Link to this contribution) Would the Minister advise my constituents who are particularly worried about their jobs, as well as ...
Vincent Cable | 485 c1156-7 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for giving me 100 seconds to respond to a long and complex debate. I shall not ...
Vincent Cable | 485 c1133-4 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That an humble Address be presented to Her Majesty, praying that the Value Added Tax ...
Vincent Cable | 485 c1134 (Link to this contribution) I shall go on to explain that we would provide the tax cut in a better, fairer and more effective wa...
James Plaskitt | 485 c1134 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman explain why he is opposed to giving a typical household in his constituency ...
Vincent Cable | 485 c1135 (Link to this contribution) I hope that that is a sign that the Government have an open mind about when the boom is due to occur...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 485 c1135 (Link to this contribution) On that specific technical point, has the hon. Gentleman noticed that the order that we are debating...
Stephen Williams | 485 c1135 (Link to this contribution) On the subject of costs to business, I wonder what estimate the Government made of the cost to small...
Vincent Cable | 485 c1135-6 (Link to this contribution) My colleague eloquently made a point about the administrative costs of the change, particularly for ...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 485 c1136 (Link to this contribution) May I just ask whether the institute supported the idea of raising taxes on the rich?
Vincent Cable | 485 c1136-7 (Link to this contribution) I do not think it did, so the right hon. Gentleman could accuse me of quoting selectively; I did on ...
James Plaskitt | 485 c1137 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for taking a further intervention. Does he not see a problem with fairnes...
Vincent Cable | 485 c1137 (Link to this contribution) Clearly, supplementary measures are needed to deal with pensioners and people who are not in the tax...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 485 c1140-1 (Link to this contribution) In our response to the pre-Budget report statement, in the emergency debate that followed and in man...
Lord Boswell of Aynho | 485 c1138 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Gentleman agree that the real viciousness of extreme deflationary conditions is ...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 485 c1137-8 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to follow the hon. Member for Twickenham (Dr. Cable). I want, if anything, to add a s...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 485 c1142 (Link to this contribution) Might I remind the hon. Gentleman that he has been speaking for longer than the hon. Member for Twic...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 485 c1142 (Link to this contribution) The immediate threat is to our ability to borrow in the markets, as the right hon. Member for Birken...
Graham Stuart | 485 c1142 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend will remember that the last time we had a Labour Government we needed to be bailed ou...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 485 c1141-2 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right; unsurprisingly, perhaps, I shall come to Mr. Steinbrück in a mom...
Lord Boswell of Aynho | 485 c1141 (Link to this contribution) On the assumption that, as we have often been told, left talks to left, is it not particularly remar...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 485 c1143-4 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. and learned Friend is absolutely right, and the Prime Minister has boxed himself in in...
Speaker | 485 c1145 (Link to this contribution) Order. May I remind hon. Members that this debate has to conclude at 5 minutes past 4 and that withi...
Lord Boswell of Aynho | 485 c1145-6 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, I shall do my best. I greatly welcome the contributions that have ...
Jeremy Browne | 485 c1146 (Link to this contribution) May I add another example to the very good one that the hon. Gentleman has just given? I visited Cot...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 485 c1143 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for his helpful suggestion, but with your permission, Mada...
Viscount Hailsham | 485 c1143 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend says that the Prime Minister has boxed himself in, and I agree with that, but he has ...
Lord Randall of Uxbridge | 485 c1147-8 (Link to this contribution) I begin by declaring an interest as a director of my family retail business, which has been in exist...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 485 c1150 (Link to this contribution) Is it not true that most firms are now cutting prices, and therefore have not had to make adjustment...
Adam Afriyie | 485 c1150-1 (Link to this contribution) There are three words for this VAT reduction: foolish, foolish, foolish. It is foolish in its concep...
Lord Swire | 485 c1151 (Link to this contribution) I think my hon. Friend is giving the Government too much credit. Does he not agree that this is a ve...
Stewart Hosie | 485 c1150 (Link to this contribution) The VAT changes will need to be accommodated. Some companies will change their marketing collateral,...
Adam Afriyie | 485 c1151 (Link to this contribution) I acknowledge that point, but I do not want to get too much into parliamentary process because I am ...
Adam Afriyie | 485 c1151 (Link to this contribution) I was trying to find a ray of light—of hope—or a good motive behind this move, but I fear I was bein...
Rob Marris | 485 c1151 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman share my constitutional reservations about cutting taxes—and putting up taxe...
Adam Afriyie | 485 c1152 (Link to this contribution) That is another well made point. I was glad to give way, because I know that my hon. Friend will not...
Graham Stuart | 485 c1152 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way again; he has been most generous. I wonder ...
Stephen Timms | 485 c1153 (Link to this contribution) Over the past year, major shocks have hit the economies of every country in the world, and the econo...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 485 c1153 (Link to this contribution) Would the Minister tell the House about the 18.5 per cent .VAT proposal, because his signature was o...
Stephen Timms | 485 c1153 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted that the hon. Gentleman has given me the opportunity to set the record straight on th...
Graham Stuart | 485 c1154 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister answer the point made by the hon. Member for Wolverhampton, South-West (Rob Marris...
Stephen Timms | 485 c1154 (Link to this contribution) Parliament has decided, in primary legislation, that a reduction to the VAT rate can be made before ...
Kelvin Hopkins | 485 c1154 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the idea of a fiscal stimulus, although I would go further and make it bigger. I am puz...
Stephen Timms | 485 c1154-5 (Link to this contribution) We have done every one of the things that my hon. Friend has just listed, including, for example, th...
Michael Fabricant | 485 c1155 (Link to this contribution) As the Minister will be aware, the managing director of John Lewis, Andy Street, has said that the 2...
Rob Marris | 485 c1155 (Link to this contribution) I shall join the Government in the Lobby tonight, but I am concerned about the increase in excise du...
Stephen Timms | 485 c1155 (Link to this contribution) But the key point is that a typical family spends £900 per month on VATable goods, and for them, if ...
Stewart Hosie | 485 c1148-50 (Link to this contribution) Let me say from the outset that I support fiscal stimulus, as it has been clear for some time that t...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 485 c1138-40 (Link to this contribution) That is my next point. I am grateful that I gave way, not because it is not always a pleasure to do ...
Lord Boswell of Aynho | 485 c1146-7 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman. It is entirely right that the House should consider all such ev...
Graham Stuart | 485 c1152 (Link to this contribution) I do not quite agree with my hon. Friend on that. The point made by the hon. Member for Wolverhampto...
Adam Afriyie | 485 c1152 (Link to this contribution) That is a well made point. I was merely observing that there is an exception for VAT, which is why w...
Subjects
Costs Business Economic situation Germany Taxation VAT Tax rates and bands
Legislation
Value Added Tax (Change of Rate) Order 2008
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