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Legislative debate on Wednesday, 11 March 2009, in the House of Commons, led by David Burrowes. The answering member was Maria Eagle.

Criminal Law

Penalties for Disorderly Behaviour (Amount of Penalty) (Amendment) Order 2009 (SI 2009/83). Debate on a motion that an humble Address be presented to Her Majesty praying that the Regulations be annulled. Negatived on division (197 votes to 272).

Secondary information

Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
489 c364-91 
Session
2008-09
Department
Ministry of Justice
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
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Proceeding contributions
David Burrowes | 489 c365-6 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that intervention, as it allows me to make it clear from the outset that we wholeh...
Keith Vaz | 489 c365 (Link to this contribution) Before the hon. Gentleman goes back to those heady days for the history of this matter, will he conf...
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David Burrowes | 489 c364-5 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That an humble Address be presented to Her Majesty, praying that the Penalties for Di...
David Burrowes | 489 c367-9 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. and learned Friend. Indeed, such cases can also involve other offence...
David Burrowes | 489 c367 (Link to this contribution) We can certainly draw that distinction. A case that recently came into the public eye was that of As...
Humfrey Malins | 489 c366 (Link to this contribution) May I say from a personal point of view that I do not think that many of us have an objection to pen...
David Burrowes | 489 c366 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman will have to be patient if he wants to hear our position on fixed penalty n...
Keith Vaz | 489 c366 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman saying that the Conservative party is against fixed penalty notices? They can ...
Maria Eagle | 489 c370 (Link to this contribution) I begin by trying to deal with some of the points made by the hon. Member for Enfield, Southgate (Mr...
David Burrowes | 489 c369-70 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. and learned Friend. The Magistrates Association made a similar point ...
Maria Eagle | 489 c370 (Link to this contribution) I shall deal with that point. At present, the 2004 Association of Chief Police Officers' administrat...
Humfrey Malins | 489 c370 (Link to this contribution) If the Minister's argument is right, why permit possession of cannabis to be treated by a penalty no...
Viscount Hailsham | 489 c369 (Link to this contribution) May I ask my hon. Friend to emphasise, too, the undesirability of using fixed penalties in respect o...
Maria Eagle | 489 c371 (Link to this contribution) That is a good point, as I have accepted in previous discussions. There are local arrangements withi...
Keith Vaz | 489 c370 (Link to this contribution) What would the Minister say to the point made by the hon. Member for Enfield, Southgate (Mr. Burrowe...
Maria Eagle | 489 c371 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to talk to the Home Secretary, but I do not accept that these matters are not recorded lo...
Maria Eagle | 489 c372-3 (Link to this contribution) As I say, because it is a recordable offence, the PND is on the police national computer. If these m...
David Burrowes | 489 c373 (Link to this contribution) I hear the Minister's point about the important principle of trusting our police to make decisions, ...
Maria Eagle | 489 c373-4 (Link to this contribution) The point is that in Northern Ireland and Scotland, the administrative arrangements for cannabis war...
Paul Robert Holmes | 489 c374-5 (Link to this contribution) As we have heard, the reason for our being here this afternoon is a long story. The original statuto...
Maria Eagle | 489 c371 (Link to this contribution) We have to trust the professional judgment of the officers out on the beat. I would not expect them ...
Maria Eagle | 489 c371-2 (Link to this contribution) I will, but I will answer one point before taking another. It is important that we trust the profes...
Humfrey Malins | 489 c372 (Link to this contribution) The Under-Secretary is being generous in giving way, and she is taking the argument seriously, which...
Maria Eagle | 489 c372 (Link to this contribution) As I said, the PND for a recordable offence is put on to the police national computer, and it will b...
Paul Robert Holmes | 489 c378 (Link to this contribution) I am puzzled by that intervention. First, I have never said and never would say that cannabis is not...
Paul Robert Holmes | 489 c377-8 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that, but some confusion remains. If we go back to the original debate on the stat...
David TC Davies | 489 c378 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way, but I think that we have sat here listening to t...
Paul Robert Holmes | 489 c375-6 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that answer, which relates to one of my final points. I hope that the Gover...
Viscount Hailsham | 489 c376 (Link to this contribution) What the hon. Gentleman is saying is in part correct, but there is a disadvantage in respect of firs...
Maria Eagle | 489 c375 (Link to this contribution) Some recent research has suggested that issuing fixed penalty notices has a positive effect, but the...
Paul Robert Holmes | 489 c377 (Link to this contribution) I am sure the right hon. Gentleman knows—but I am glad to put it on the record again—that we did not...
Maria Eagle | 489 c377 (Link to this contribution) Let me clarify why cannabis does not equate to other class B drugs in this regard. It is because alt...
Paul Robert Holmes | 489 c376-7 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. and learned Gentleman is quite right; indeed, that is one of the points that I was co...
Keith Vaz | 489 c377 (Link to this contribution) Did the Liberal Democrats support the regrading of cannabis from a class C to a class B drug?
Paul Robert Holmes | 489 c382 (Link to this contribution) Simply for clarification of the record, and before my words are twisted, I was responding to a hypot...
Keith Vaz | 489 c382-3 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely, and the hon. Gentleman was not given a multiple choice beyond wine or cannabis. I am sur...
Humfrey Malins | 489 c380 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making plain to the House his belief that alcohol is more harmful than cannabi...
Paul Robert Holmes | 489 c380-1 (Link to this contribution) I would prefer the wine. I could sit around the table and drink a glass of wine with that person—I d...
Speaker | 489 c381 (Link to this contribution) Order. I now have to announce the results of Divisions deferred from a previous day. On the question...
Keith Vaz | 489 c382 (Link to this contribution) It is always a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Chesterfield (Paul Holmes), but I would not wa...
David TC Davies | 489 c378 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way again?
Paul Robert Holmes | 489 c378-9 (Link to this contribution) No, not if the hon. Gentleman's intervention would be of the same standard as the previous one. The...
Bob Spink | 489 c379 (Link to this contribution) I understand where the hon. Gentleman is coming from, but will he give an honest answer to this ques...
Paul Robert Holmes | 489 c379-80 (Link to this contribution) As one who has always found the drinking of alcohol more than enough of an issue—although at least a...
Paul Robert Holmes | 489 c383 (Link to this contribution) As Chair of the Select Committee on Home Affairs, does the right hon. Gentleman have more evidence f...
David Burrowes | 489 c387-8 (Link to this contribution) We have had an interesting and important debate, and it was a debate that the Government did not wis...
Speaker | 489 c388 (Link to this contribution) I ask the Serjeant at Arms to investigate the delay in the Aye lobby.
Humfrey Malins | 489 c385-6 (Link to this contribution) I, too, shall be brief in view of the shortness of the time. As always, I declare an interest as a l...
David TC Davies | 489 c386-7 (Link to this contribution) Like another hon. Member who spoke earlier, I want to declare an interest in that I am a serving spe...
Keith Vaz | 489 c383-4 (Link to this contribution) From the information that has come to me. No, we have not taken evidence on this, which is why it is...
Viscount Hailsham | 489 c384-5 (Link to this contribution) Because of the lateness of the hour in relation to this debate, I shall be brief. I am not opposed t...
Viscount Hailsham | 489 c367 (Link to this contribution) It is surely more serious to use such a notice for theft or for giving a false report to the police,...
Viscount Hailsham | 489 c371 (Link to this contribution) The Minister fairly said that the police have discretion to arrest and charge. However, does she agr...
Keith Vaz | 489 c371 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for the spirit in which she has addressed the point made by the hon. Member for...
Subjects
Crime Cannabis Age Anti-social behaviour Fixed penalties Drugs Fines Offenders Police Young offenders Theft Shoplifting Vandalism
Legislation
Penalties for Disorderly Behaviour (Amount of Penalty) (Amendment) Order 2009
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