Estimates day on Thursday, 2 July 2009, in the House of Commons, led by Barry Sheerman. The answering member was Diana Johnson.
Looked-after Children
Main estimates 2009-10. Third estimates day (part one). Motion that, for the year ending with 31 March 2010, for expenditure by the Department for Children, Schools and Families— (1) further resources, not exceeding £32,152,966,000 be authorised for use as set out in HC 514, (2) a further sum, not exceeding £32,181,534,000 be granted to Her Majesty out of the Consolidated Fund to meet the costs as so set out, and (3) limits as so set out be set on appropriations in aid. Question deferred. Resolved.
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- Parliamentary proceeding
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- 495 c511-60
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- 2008-09
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- Department for Children, Schools and Families
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- Supply estimates
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Central government supply estimates 2009-10: main supply estimates for the year ending 31 March 2010.
Thursday, 18 June 2009
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- Proceeding contributions
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Barry Sheerman | 495 c518 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a good point.
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Barry Sheerman | 495 c511-2 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to open this debate on the recent report of the Children, Schools and Families Comm...
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David Chaytor | 495 c515-6 (Link to this contribution) Before we leave the Danish comparison, is there not a deeper cultural issue, which is reflected in h...
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Barry Sheerman | 495 c516 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend knows that I will agree, and I was just going to come to that. Any parliamentarian h...
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Barry Sheerman | 495 c516 (Link to this contribution) Thank you. The question is how we can ensure that we intervene. It all depends on having good system...
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Fiona Mactaggart | 495 c516 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend highlight the consequences in later life of the child misery to which he referre...
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Barry Sheerman | 495 c516 (Link to this contribution) I think my hon. Friend knows that I agree with that. That is where the line is drawn—we must ask whe...
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Ann Coffey | 495 c517 (Link to this contribution) I absolutely agree with my hon. Friend about maintaining the highest possible standards in care, par...
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Barry Sheerman | 495 c517 (Link to this contribution) I can assure my hon. Friend not only that we did that, but that we looked at how we reward social wo...
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John Hemming | 495 c517 (Link to this contribution) The Committee's experience of the quality of care in Denmark was that the children were less miserab...
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Keith Vaz | 495 c512 (Link to this contribution) I pay tribute to the work of my hon. Friend and his Committee on this very important subject. Did he...
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John Hemming | 495 c513 (Link to this contribution) The figures that I have from the SSDA903 return state that in England between 7,000 and 8,000 childr...
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Barry Sheerman | 495 c513 (Link to this contribution) The figures I cited were given to the Committee; the hon. Gentleman can read the report and check th...
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Barry Sheerman | 495 c512-3 (Link to this contribution) We did so peripherally, mostly in terms of children who turn up in this country with no obvious pare...
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Graham Stuart | 495 c515 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that the Danish experience is not just that children are happier becau...
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Barry Sheerman | 495 c515 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend—it is difficult to call him "the hon. Gentleman", as we work together so closely that...
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Meg Munn | 495 c513-4 (Link to this contribution) I am listening carefully to my hon. Friend, who is making some important points. Did the Committee c...
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Barry Sheerman | 495 c514-5 (Link to this contribution) That is the danger of letting a real expert intervene on one's speech. Of course, my hon. Friend is ...
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Tim Loughton | 495 c544 (Link to this contribution) World war two.
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Speaker | 495 c537 (Link to this contribution) Order. Before I call the next hon. Member to speak, I point out that, although it looks as though we...
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Tim Loughton | 495 c540 (Link to this contribution) I have listened to what the hon. Gentleman has said. Surely the point is that academies take over fa...
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Paul Robert Holmes | 495 c540-2 (Link to this contribution) I regret the fact that boarding provision in state schools was more or less wiped out during my year...
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John Hemming | 495 c544 (Link to this contribution) That is true. Sorry about that—a slight error there, but who knows? That research was published in ...
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John Hemming | 495 c543-4 (Link to this contribution) That is true: there are children in care under section 20 orders, and there are a few children in re...
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Meg Munn | 495 c543 (Link to this contribution) Surely the hon. Gentleman is not ignoring the children who come into care under section 20 orders, w...
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John Hemming | 495 c544 (Link to this contribution) I am talking about research into particular issues, such as reactive attachment disorder, children w...
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Meg Munn | 495 c544 (Link to this contribution) I question what the hon. Gentleman is saying. I have tabled questions about research that may not ha...
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Speaker | 495 c543 (Link to this contribution) Order. The House will have heard my earlier comments about the timing of speeches. I hope to get the...
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John Hemming | 495 c543 (Link to this contribution) One of the interesting aspects of this subject is definitions. Take the definition of care. A child ...
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David Chaytor | 495 c533-7 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the Opposition, but I also congratulate the Government on eventually finding time for...
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Paul Robert Holmes | 495 c537-9 (Link to this contribution) I should like to start by praising the work of Select Committees, although perhaps that is slightly ...
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Bill Wiggin | 495 c540 (Link to this contribution) I was referring to academies and, more importantly, to academies with residential facilities. If the...
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Paul Robert Holmes | 495 c540 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for that partial clarification. I heard what was said as meaning that aca...
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David Chaytor | 495 c532-3 (Link to this contribution) I think that this is the first time during my time as a Member that we have had a debate on looked-a...
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Tim Loughton | 495 c533 (Link to this contribution) On a point of information, we have never before had a debate on vulnerable and looked-after children...
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Keith Vaz | 495 c528-30 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. I know that, when she was a distinguished Foreign Office Ministe...
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Bill Wiggin | 495 c530-2 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Leicester, East (Keith Vaz). I think that the P...
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Keith Vaz | 495 c527 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Yeovil (Mr. Laws). I begin by paying tribute to the S...
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Meg Munn | 495 c527-8 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend raises an extremely important issue, but may I point out that it is one of the ...
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Graham Stuart | 495 c526 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to the hon. Gentleman, and I apologise for intervening as he was winding up ...
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David Laws | 495 c526-7 (Link to this contribution) My response to that important question is that, to a large extent, the support needs to be designed ...
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Graham Stuart | 495 c526 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
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David Laws | 495 c526 (Link to this contribution) I will give way one last time.
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David Laws | 495 c523-6 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether I gave way to the hon. Gentleman too early; my generosity overcame me. I should hav...
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Barry Sheerman | 495 c521-2 (Link to this contribution) I was going to leave out that section of my speech, because I have been speaking for too long, but I...
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Bill Wiggin | 495 c522 (Link to this contribution) I am curious: why has the hon. Gentleman chosen the age of 25 and not 21?
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Barry Sheerman | 495 c522 (Link to this contribution) Because I think children in supportive homes get that right through. It can be a very turbulent peri...
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David Laws | 495 c522-3 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate that many hon. Members wish to contribute to the debate, so I will try not to make my c...
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Speaker | 495 c520 (Link to this contribution) Order. I think that it is time for one of my periodic reminders to hon. Members that all remarks sho...
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Barry Sheerman | 495 c520-1 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I know that I have gone on for too long because I have taken a lot of...
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Derek Twigg | 495 c521 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend on the report. I was not on the Committee when that work was done. A k...
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Graham Stuart | 495 c523 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the hon. Gentleman did not mean to suggest that current standards were acceptable, be...
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Barry Sheerman | 495 c519 (Link to this contribution) Two minutes. Let me finish on the quality of the work force, which is at the heart of our report. T...
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Barry Sheerman | 495 c519 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is being slightly mischievous. I am not going down that route; I am going to make...
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Fiona Mactaggart | 495 c519 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend give way?
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Fiona Mactaggart | 495 c519-20 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is quite right to mention the important role that social workers play in backing up f...
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Barry Sheerman | 495 c520 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. She will know that we made a recommendation for a cap on the num...
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Barry Sheerman | 495 c519 (Link to this contribution) In a moment. The problem is the old problem: that those people are not supported well. The Governme...
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Ann Coffey | 495 c520 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that a similar problem exists in residential care? Stockport is a net impo...
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Barry Sheerman | 495 c517-8 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a very good point. He has also pulled me up on my figures. I should tell hi...
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Tim Loughton | 495 c518 (Link to this contribution) Let me bring the hon. Gentleman back to cost and Denmark, about which I would like to make a comment...
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Graham Stuart | 495 c518 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
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Barry Sheerman | 495 c518 (Link to this contribution) Let me make just a little more progress. I want to cover the fundamentals, which are these. First, ...
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Fiona Mactaggart | 495 c518 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend give way?
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Barry Sheerman | 495 c518 (Link to this contribution) Let me give way to the hon. Member for Beverley and Holderness (Mr. Stuart) first.
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Graham Stuart | 495 c518 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right to highlight the failures of the current system, notwithstanding improve...
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Diana Johnson | 495 c554-60 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend the Member for Huddersfield (Mr. Sheerman) and all the other members of the S...
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Tim Loughton | 495 c549-54 (Link to this contribution) We have had a good and full debate for a Thursday afternoon, with some excellent contributions from ...
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Speaker | 495 c560 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that.
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Barry Sheerman | 495 c560 (Link to this contribution) Mr. Speaker, we have had more than our fair share of time. We have had a great, well-informed debate...
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John Hemming | 495 c544 (Link to this contribution) It is not sub judice.
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John Hemming | 495 c544-6 (Link to this contribution) My understanding is that the case is not before any court at the moment. Sebastian and his mother ha...
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Annette Brooke | 495 c546-8 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the hon. Member for Huddersfield (Mr. Sheerman) on his leadership of the Select Commi...
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Speaker | 495 c544 (Link to this contribution) Order. Obviously I do not have detailed knowledge of the case, but I am not quite sure— ... The hon....
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