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Debate on Wednesday, 10 November 2010, in the House of Commons, led by Mark Hoban. The answering member was Chris Leslie.

European Union Economic Governance

Debate on a motion that this House takes note of European Union Documents (a) 9433/10, Commission Communication on reinforcing economic policy co-ordination, (b) 11807/10, Commission Communication on enhancing economic policy co-ordination for stability, growth and jobs – tools for stronger EU economic governance, (c) 14496/10, Proposal for a Council Regulation (EU) amending Regulation (EC) No. 1467/97 on speeding up and clarifying the implementation of the excessive deficit procedure, (d) 14497/10, Proposal for a Council Directive on requirements for budgetary frameworks of the Member States, (e) 14498/10, Proposal for a Regulation of the European Parliament and of the Council on the effective enforcement of budgetary surveillance in the euro area, (f) 14512/10, Proposal for a Regulation of the European Parliament and of the Council on enforcement measures to correct excessive macroeconomic imbalances in the euro area, (g) 14515/10, Proposal for a Regulation of the European Parliament and of the Council on the prevention and correction of macroeconomic imbalances, and (h) 14520/10, Proposal for a Regulation of the European Parliament and of the Council amending Regulation (EC) No. 1466/97 on the strengthening of the surveillance of budgetary positions and the surveillance and co-ordination of economic policies; notes the Report from the Task Force on Economic Governance in the European Union; ""notes with approval that budgetary and fiscal information will continue to be presented to Parliament before being given to EU institutions; and approves the Government's position, as endorsed by the Task Force that any sanctions proposed should not apply to the United Kingdom in consideration of Protocol 15 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU." Resolved on division (296 to 40).

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
518 c359-88 
Session
2010-12
Department
Treasury
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
Mark Hoban | 518 c359-60 (Link to this contribution) I have not seen Mr Van Rompuy's comments. As hon. Members will recognise, I have been rather tied up...
Philip Davies | 518 c360 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend understand that many people have lost confidence in assurances given whenever a ...
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Mark Hoban | 518 c360 (Link to this contribution) Nothing in the documents before us today does what my hon. Friend suggests. People should listen and...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 518 c360 (Link to this contribution) But does Mr Van Rompuy's report not suggest that there should be a binding minimum set of requiremen...
Peter Bone | 518 c361 (Link to this contribution) Is the Financial Secretary saying that the taskforce document that I have, dated 21 October, has bee...
Mark Hoban | 518 c361 (Link to this contribution) But the sanctions regime relates only to eurozone countries, and no sanctions can be imposed on the ...
Mark Hoban | 518 c360 (Link to this contribution) I think my hon. Friend is reading an earlier draft of the report, because we amended that language a...
Lord Redwood | 518 c360 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister please confirm that the directive on budgetary frameworks for all member states wi...
Mark Hoban | 518 c360-1 (Link to this contribution) There is nothing new in the macro-economic surveillance processes outlined in the document and, as I...
William Cash | 518 c359 (Link to this contribution) Is my hon. Friend aware that the same Mr Van Rompuy has today issued a vicious attack on Eurosceptic...
Speaker | 518 c359 (Link to this contribution) I must inform the House that Mr Speaker has not selected any of the amendments.
Mark Hoban | 518 c359 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That this House takes note of European Union Documents (a) 9433/10, Commission Commun...
Mark Hoban | 518 c366 (Link to this contribution) Although strong fiscal frameworks are vital, we also believe that fiscal sovereignty is crucial, and...
Mark Hoban | 518 c366 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way. I listen carefully to the guidance of Mr Speaker. To secure fiscal discipline,...
Mark Hoban | 518 c365 (Link to this contribution) I am not going to go down that route, but it is important that information be available. Over the co...
Mark Hoban | 518 c366 (Link to this contribution) I thank you, Mr Speaker, for that encouragement and guidance, and I apologise for being generous in ...
Speaker | 518 c365-6 (Link to this contribution) Order. Before the hon. Gentleman intervenes, I note that the Minister has been on his feet for 21 mi...
Michael Connarty | 518 c365 (Link to this contribution) May I suggest to the Minister that one of the attractions of the new procedure is that every country...
Mark Hoban | 518 c365 (Link to this contribution) Given that the process is very straightforward, I begin to wonder why it is causing so much exciteme...
Andrew Percy | 518 c365 (Link to this contribution) I am getting a little confused. If the information is already in the public domain and any organisat...
Mark Hoban | 518 c365 (Link to this contribution) I do not see the point of not sending information that is already in the public domain. Why would we...
Lady Hermon | 518 c364-5 (Link to this contribution) I am enormously grateful to the Minister for taking my intervention. As the hon. Member for Stone (M...
Lord Redwood | 518 c364 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister confirm that there are two big new regulations that relate directly to the United ...
Mark Hoban | 518 c364 (Link to this contribution) Hon. Members should think about this carefully. All that we are doing is providing more information ...
William Cash | 518 c364 (Link to this contribution) The explanatory memorandum dealing with the jurisdictional question, which was supplied to the Europ...
Mark Hoban | 518 c363 (Link to this contribution) I am being bombarded by requests to give way. I shall give way first to my hon. Friend the Member fo...
Mark Hoban | 518 c363 (Link to this contribution) I should like to make a bit more progress on this point. It is right that we should co-operate with...
Mark Hoban | 518 c363 (Link to this contribution) Let me repeat that this involves information that is already out there in the public domain. It is i...
Mark Hendrick | 518 c363 (Link to this contribution) The information might be available elsewhere, but the Minister will know that, as a result of the pr...
Mark Hoban | 518 c363 (Link to this contribution) I simply do not take the view that giving the Commission more information is going to be a problem. ...
Mark Hendrick | 518 c363 (Link to this contribution) The point is not that the information will have been made available elsewhere; it is that there will...
Bernard Jenkin | 518 c362 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, but I must insist on the Minister giving way again. Is there any increase in EU jurisdic...
Mark Hoban | 518 c362 (Link to this contribution) No, there is not, and I shall come to that in more detail. As far as I am aware, there is no differe...
James Clappison | 518 c361 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making his case persuasively, but will he assist me? The same document from Mr Van...
Mark Hoban | 518 c362 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes an important point, and I am about to come to that, so his intervention is ...
Michael Connarty | 518 c361 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the Financial Secretary realises that we are here to support him in a sensible approach ...
Mark Hoban | 518 c361 (Link to this contribution) I know that that paragraph has caused some interest, but many people stop reading after"““by a new l...
Mark Hoban | 518 c367 (Link to this contribution) We have protected the sovereignty of the House on fiscal matters, and our position on EU economic go...
Speaker | 518 c367 (Link to this contribution) Order. Members are free to try to intervene whenever they wish, and Ministers can respond accordingl...
Mark Reckless | 518 c367 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr Speaker. Did not the Minister agree to take an intervention, before the inte...
Speaker | 518 c367 (Link to this contribution) That is not a point of order at all. The hon. Gentleman should resume his seat and not dilate. Mr Ch...
Chris Leslie | 518 c367 (Link to this contribution) Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. Lurking on the future business section of the Order Paper for some...
Mark Reckless | 518 c367 (Link to this contribution) As the Front Benches appear to be in agreement on this issue, may I ask the hon. Gentleman a questio...
Chris Leslie | 518 c368 (Link to this contribution) I shall deal with the nature of the changes in a moment—and there are changes. It would be a bit dis...
Jim Cunningham | 518 c368 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend will recall that the previous Prime Minister and his Government drew up five economic...
Chris Leslie | 518 c370 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a strong point. If fiscal policies across the eurozone are simultaneously shift...
Bernard Jenkin | 518 c371 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman arguing that somehow these arrangements will give us more influence and more c...
Kelvin Hopkins | 518 c371 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for giving way yet again. He focuses on trade, but it is in trade that we hav...
Chris Leslie | 518 c371 (Link to this contribution) Those of us in opposition are merely asking questions and scrutinising what is on the table, but we ...
Claire O'Neill | 518 c372 (Link to this contribution) I am enjoying the hon. Gentleman's measured canter around the potential risks associated with this l...
Chris Leslie | 518 c371-2 (Link to this contribution) If we see growth dented here in the UK because those ripples flow from the eurozone—changes as a res...
Chris Leslie | 518 c372 (Link to this contribution) As I see it, it is difficult to know yet what propositions are before us. I want to hear the Ministe...
Mark Hendrick | 518 c372 (Link to this contribution) One regulation that might well be on the table is for any member state of the European Union, within...
Chris Leslie | 518 c372-3 (Link to this contribution) We take the view, as we always have, that where it was in the British interest to co-operate with ou...
Matt Hancock | 518 c372 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful. The Minister made a clear statement that this House, under this Government,...
Chris Leslie | 518 c372 (Link to this contribution) I want to make a bit of progress—but it is too tempting.
Matt Hancock | 518 c372 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Speaker | 518 c376 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Gentleman is straying very considerably wide of the matters under discussion. I know...
William Cash | 518 c373-6 (Link to this contribution) This debate and the Minister's remarks remind me of what Alice said in ““Through the Looking-Glass””...
Speaker | 518 c373 (Link to this contribution) Order. We have fewer than 45 minutes and approximately 15 Members are seeking to catch my eye. Right...
Chris Leslie | 518 c372 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. There could be significant direct policy changes as regards transfers of policy and also ind...
William Cash | 518 c376 (Link to this contribution) I entirely accept that and will bring my remarks immediately to a conclusion. Rules and regulations...
Chris Leslie | 518 c369 (Link to this contribution) I wish I could be firmer and clearer, but we are dealing with a malleable set of proposals. The bund...
Kelvin Hopkins | 518 c369 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is using terms like ““largely”” and ““presumably””. These are not definite enough for...
Chris Leslie | 518 c368-9 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has made his point in his own inimitable way, but I do not want to be diverted fr...
Philip Davies | 518 c368 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman think it makes sense for an organisation whose accounts have not been signed...
Chris Leslie | 518 c368 (Link to this contribution) Our perspective is clearly different from that of the hon. Gentleman. I want to consider what is on ...
Edward Leigh | 518 c368 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman now kindly respond to the intervention from my hon. Friend the Member for Ro...
Chris Leslie | 518 c368 (Link to this contribution) It was certainly worth punctuating the debate with that point, which my hon. Friend made forcefully ...
Mark Hendrick | 518 c370 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend hits the nail on the head. While the UK may not be signed up to the stability and gro...
Lord Redwood | 518 c369 (Link to this contribution) If this House and a properly elected British Government have chosen a certain course of action on th...
Chris Leslie | 518 c369-70 (Link to this contribution) Well, my point is that it may or may not be a sensible move—and as a pro-European I think benefit co...
Michael Connarty | 518 c380 (Link to this contribution) The Government use the nomenclature of the EC reference and I am giving the Committee reference. Whe...
Bernard Jenkin | 518 c379 (Link to this contribution) Just for the convenience of the House, will the hon. Gentleman explain why the numbers of the docume...
Michael Connarty | 518 c379 (Link to this contribution) First, I wish to put on record what we are supposed to be debating, because Members have wandered al...
Kelvin Hopkins | 518 c381-2 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak briefly, but it is important for the House to know that there are also Members on the ...
Lord Lilley | 518 c380-1 (Link to this contribution) The question that this House must face is this: do these measures and the possible treaty change tha...
Michael Connarty | 518 c380 (Link to this contribution) Given that we are trying to let people speak, I will not give way. Let us be sensible. To give and ...
James Clappison | 518 c377-8 (Link to this contribution) Let me begin by congratulating my hon. Friend the Minister on his very full opening speech. I want t...
Austin Mitchell | 518 c376-7 (Link to this contribution) I shall join the hon. and long-winded Member for Stone (Mr Cash) in the Lobby tonight, because, what...
Mark Hoban | 518 c384-5 (Link to this contribution) I have listened carefully to hon. Members' concerns tonight, and I want to state yet again that the ...
Douglas Carswell | 518 c383-4 (Link to this contribution) I shall be brief, and I shall vote against the motion. The House is being asked to endorse an agreem...
Stephen Williams | 518 c382 (Link to this contribution) I, too, had to read the documents several times before I began to understand what was being proposed...
Speaker | 518 c382 (Link to this contribution) Order. I intend to call the Minister to wind up the debate no later than 6.31 pm, and I am sure that...
Kelvin Hopkins | 518 c382 (Link to this contribution) The Minister himself said that any information about the economy that was needed could be found by g...
Mark Hoban | 518 c364 (Link to this contribution) The enforcement point does not apply to the United Kingdom as a consequence of protocol 15 of the ex...
Mark Hoban | 518 c362 (Link to this contribution) I do not believe that there is. Let me deal with the three aspects. In every international economic...
Bernard Jenkin | 518 c362 (Link to this contribution) Is my hon. Friend giving an assurance that not only are there no sanctions—we understand that—but th...
Mark Hoban | 518 c364 (Link to this contribution) Let me make some more progress; otherwise, hon. Members will not have the opportunity to participate...
EC documents
9433/2010;11807/2010;14496/2010;14497/2010;14498/2010;14512/2010;14515/2010;14520/2010;
Subjects
Disclosure of information Audit Contributions EU action EU budget EU economic policy Euro Sanctions
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