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Legislation (Territorial Extent) Bill

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Type

Parliamentary proceeding

Reference

532 c650-710 

Session

2010-12

Legislative stage

Third reading

Report stage

Procedure

Private members' bills proceedings

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber

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Legislation (Territorial Extent) Bill.
Wednesday, 30 June 2010
Bills
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

Helen Goodman | 532 c651 (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Gentleman says, arrangements are in place for legislation that takes effect predominantl...

Oliver Heald | 532 c651 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady will be aware that the procedure for Scottish Bills, as set out in Standing Order 97, ...

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Helen Goodman | 532 c651 (Link to this contribution) Of course, my hon. Friend is absolutely correct.

Baroness Brown of Silvertown | 532 c651 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that the Bill undermines the basic principle that all Members are equal?

Helen Goodman | 532 c650-1 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. I would like to point out some of the problems with what has been sug...

Speaker | 532 c650 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Gentleman has been here long enough to know that we do not discuss the selection of ...

Philip Hollobone | 532 c650 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady and her hon. Friend tabled 14 amendments and one new clause, only four of which have b...

Helen Goodman | 532 c650 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak on this Bill and to the amendments standing in my name...

Speaker | 532 c650 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Amendment 6, page 1, leave out lines 7 to...

Helen Goodman | 532 c650 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 3, page 1, line 2, leave out 'publishing draft' and insert 'presenting'.

Edward Leigh | 532 c652 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I used the wrong words. What the hon. Lady is determined to do is stop this Bill making any ...

Helen Goodman | 532 c652 (Link to this contribution) Let me turn to the parts of the Bill that relate to the financial implications, which we also looked...

Speaker | 532 c652 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Lady is being tempted all the time. She must not give in to that temptation. Let us ...

Helen Goodman | 532 c651 (Link to this contribution) That is exactly right. This is a campaigning Bill; it is not a serious Bill. The hon. Lady cannot po...

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c651 (Link to this contribution) On the issues raised by the amendment, my hon. Friend said a minute ago that she suspected that the ...

Helen Goodman | 532 c652 (Link to this contribution) I am not intent on wrecking the Bill; I am intent on opposing it, which is not quite the same thing....

Edward Leigh | 532 c652 (Link to this contribution) So in reality these amendments are not really important in the hon. Lady's estimation; she is simply...

Speaker | 532 c651 (Link to this contribution) Order. We are meant to be discussing the amendments, but we are getting drawn elsewhere by certain M...

Helen Goodman | 532 c651 (Link to this contribution) I stand corrected. I am sorry, I was seduced by the hon. Member for North East Hertfordshire (Oliver...

Oliver Heald | 532 c653-4 (Link to this contribution) Let me start by saying that my hon. Friend the Member for West Worcestershire (Harriett Baldwin) has...

Helen Goodman | 532 c653 (Link to this contribution) I do not wish to delay the House any further on these technical amendments. I think I have made my p...

Speaker | 532 c653 (Link to this contribution) That is for the Chair to decide, as the hon. Gentleman well knows. I would point out that I am allow...

Edward Leigh | 532 c653 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. These amendments are really technical amendments, to insert ...

Helen Goodman | 532 c652-3 (Link to this contribution) What I am trying to do is demonstrate that the Bill is not well drafted, and the amendments that we ...

Pete Wishart | 532 c652 (Link to this contribution) That is a very interesting point, but what exactly does it have to do with the amendments?

Helen Goodman | 532 c652 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes my exact point, but unfortunately that is not the way the Bill is drafted. ...

Helen Goodman | 532 c652 (Link to this contribution) One of the problems with looking at draft legislation rather than legislation in its final form is t...

Oliver Heald | 532 c652 (Link to this contribution) But social security is a UK-wide competence. It is nothing to do with just England, Wales or Scotlan...

Speaker | 532 c652 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Lady must not make a Second Reading speech. Let us deal with the amendments that are...

Iain Stewart | 532 c658 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman was a strong advocate of Scottish devolution in the 1990s. One of the arguments o...

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c657-8 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman knows that the procedure to which he refers does not in any sense imply that Memb...

Oliver Heald | 532 c657 (Link to this contribution) Yes. We did it for years. Those Bills created no real difficulty. My hon. Friend the Member for West...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c657 (Link to this contribution) Through the Speaker.

Oliver Heald | 532 c657 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman realise that we already have a procedure for certifying that a Bill is Scott...

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c657 (Link to this contribution) That comment may support my position. Let us take the argument to the next stage: if the hon. Gentle...

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c658 (Link to this contribution) There are probably more than 600 classes of MP, given that we all have different interests and conce...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c659 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that if some Members believe that there are now two classes of MP, perhaps...

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c658 (Link to this contribution) If I were to try to answer that question, I would go beyond the amendment. I might be able to addres...

Pete Wishart | 532 c658 (Link to this contribution) May we please nail the notion of two classes of MP? There are two classes. All Whitehall Departments...

David Nuttall | 532 c660 (Link to this contribution) Where is consultation mentioned in any of the amendments?

Thomas Docherty | 532 c659-60 (Link to this contribution) It is always a pleasure to serve with you in the Chair, Mr Deputy Speaker. I approach the Bill with...

Speaker | 532 c661 (Link to this contribution) Order. I am sure that the hon. Gentleman is going to speak to the amendments, but he should not be d...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c660-1 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman had held his proverbial horses for another 15 seconds, he might have heard the...

Speaker | 532 c659 (Link to this contribution) Order. Those points do not need to be answered. We must get back to the amendments.

Harriett Baldwin | 532 c659 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to learn that the hon. Member for Bishop Auckland (Helen Goodman) does not propose to p...

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c659 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that all Members on both sides of the House work as hard as they can for their constituent...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c661 (Link to this contribution) I assure you, Mr Deputy Speaker, that there is no danger of my using up my Third Reading speech at t...

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c661 (Link to this contribution) That is a very good example of how the presentation stage could cause confusion. It is hard to see h...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c661-2 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. That is one of the two most obvious examples in the current Parliament of the difference bet...

Oliver Heald | 532 c654 (Link to this contribution) I completely disagree. The hon. Lady would give the Speaker no time at all. Under Standing Order No....

Helen Goodman | 532 c654 (Link to this contribution) The issue is the speed with which this Government are putting through legislation, and their failure...

Oliver Heald | 532 c654 (Link to this contribution) The mistake in the hon. Lady's amendments is that they would not give the Speaker any opportunity to...

Helen Goodman | 532 c654 (Link to this contribution) But cannot the hon. Gentleman see that the territorial extent is already in a Bill, and that the fin...

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c655 (Link to this contribution) This is a rather odd discussion, given that there is a certain lack of transparency about what is re...

David Nuttall | 532 c655 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman referred to the ““so-called”” West Lothian question. Does he not think that there...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c654 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is flipping between the Speaker and the Secretary of State. Under the Scottish pr...

Oliver Heald | 532 c654 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman ought to think in terms of the partnership that my hon. Friend's Bill would creat...

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c655 (Link to this contribution) There is certainly an issue, but whether it is as broad as the hon. Gentleman suggests is another qu...

Oliver Heald | 532 c655 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has mentioned the West Lothian question. Can it be right that a Scottish Member c...

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c655-6 (Link to this contribution) I must stay in order while answering that question, Mr Deputy Speaker. I referred to the ““so-called...

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c656 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a good point. I have sympathy with the hon. Member for West Worcestershire, giv...

Helen Goodman | 532 c656 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that another technical defect—I hope the amendments made this clear, but p...

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c656 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to go over old intra-Scottish debates, but I recollect the hon. Gentleman and some of ...

Pete Wishart | 532 c656 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman knows that I do not vote on English-only legislation. It is relatively straightfo...

Speaker | 532 c656 (Link to this contribution) Order. We are drifting once again. I am sure that the hon. Gentleman will not be tempted further and...

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c657 (Link to this contribution) I confess that I was tempted to reply. I shall restrain my responses, even if the interventions are ...

Pete Wishart | 532 c657 (Link to this contribution) We vote on issues that have a Scottish interest, and so should the hon. Gentleman, but there are man...

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c657 (Link to this contribution) There may have been no SNP vote on the Health and Social Care Bill, but the abortion counselling mea...

Guto Bebb | 532 c657 (Link to this contribution) As a Welsh Conservative Member, I feel that the Bill gives us an important, legitimate opportunity t...

Edward Leigh | 532 c667 (Link to this contribution) This is a very important point. If I understand it rightly, the Minister seems to be saying that the...

Lord Harper | 532 c667-8 (Link to this contribution) No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that it is a complex matter and I shall say a little m...

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c669-70 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Lady for the constructive way in which she is presenting her Bill, but if ...

Harriett Baldwin | 532 c670 (Link to this contribution) I assure the hon. Gentleman that I shall be going into great detail on that point.

Helen Goodman | 532 c669 (Link to this contribution) I beg to ask leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. Third Reading

Harriett Baldwin | 532 c669 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time. Let me start my remarks by reassuring Oppo...

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c668 (Link to this contribution) Does that not highlight the problem with the reverse situation highlighted in the Bill? There is no ...

Lord Harper | 532 c668-9 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is leaping into solution space, but he is right. I agreed with one thing he said ...

Pete Wishart | 532 c668 (Link to this contribution) The Minister will obviously know that there are legislative consent motions in the Scottish Parliame...

Lord Harper | 532 c668 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman touches on another point: although this House has, through the devolution settlem...

Oliver Heald | 532 c670 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend on her Bill. Does she agree that in the House, during the period when ...

Harriett Baldwin | 532 c670 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an erudite point, and I shall no doubt refer to Standing Order No. 97 in my rem...

Pete Wishart | 532 c670 (Link to this contribution) I, too, congratulate the hon. Lady on getting so far with this Bill, but does she have any explanati...

Harriett Baldwin | 532 c671 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that colleagues on the Government side of the House are absolutely delighted that my right...

Iain Stewart | 532 c671 (Link to this contribution) I, too, congratulate my hon. Friend on having proceeded this far with her Bill. Does she accept that...

Harriett Baldwin | 532 c671 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely correct; there has been a substantial body of work looking at exactly h...

Harriett Baldwin | 532 c670 (Link to this contribution) I think the Under-Secretary of State for Scotland, my right hon. Friend the Member for Dumfriesshire...

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c670-1 (Link to this contribution) Is not this getting to the heart of the issue, because the logic of what the hon. Lady is saying is ...

Harriett Baldwin | 532 c671 (Link to this contribution) I draw the hon. Gentleman's attention to the wording in the Bill: there is nothing in it that would ...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c671 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady has mentioned the upsurge of resentment in the correspondence that she got about a sys...

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c662 (Link to this contribution) So one could have a situation where, shall we say, a UK-wide Government were against privatisation o...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c662-3 (Link to this contribution) I think, Mr Deputy Speaker, that you would call me to order if I were tempted down that path. I cert...

Harriett Baldwin | 532 c662 (Link to this contribution) The measure is carefully worded to exclude any mention of private Member's Bills, but, if the hon. G...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c662 (Link to this contribution) That leads to another important point. I have huge sympathy with the arguments both ways and I will ...

Lord Harper | 532 c664-5 (Link to this contribution) I was listening very carefully at the beginning of the debate, and when my hon. Friend intervened on...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c665 (Link to this contribution) The Minister says a slew of legislation would not be covered by the Bill as it stands. Will he expla...

Lord Harper | 532 c663-4 (Link to this contribution) First, I think that it is worth saying that I agree with colleagues on both sides of the House when ...

Edward Leigh | 532 c664 (Link to this contribution) This is an extraordinarily narrow amendment to what is a tentative, but worthwhile, Bill. Therefore,...

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c665 (Link to this contribution) At the risk of doing even more damage to the Minister's political career, may I say that his argumen...

Lord Harper | 532 c665 (Link to this contribution) The Bill would apply only to draft legislation. In the past, not much legislation was presented in d...

Lord Harper | 532 c665 (Link to this contribution) While we are discussing these amendments on Report, I will limit my remarks, or else I think Mr Depu...

Christopher Chope | 532 c665 (Link to this contribution) The Minister refers to this being very complex. Why, therefore, did the Government not set up this c...

Speaker | 532 c665 (Link to this contribution) Order. As Mr Chope should know, we must keep our powder dry on that point until Third Reading. I ask...

Lord Harper | 532 c665 (Link to this contribution) I am often tempted by my hon. Friend, but I will resist that particular temptation, at least until T...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c666 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is again proving my earlier point about how fleet of foot he is in staying in bounds wh...

Oliver Heald | 532 c666 (Link to this contribution) I imagine the commission will look at the experience in respect of Standing Order No. 97 and the way...

Lord Harper | 532 c666 (Link to this contribution) If my hon. Friend will permit me—

Speaker | 532 c666 (Link to this contribution) Order. Once again we are being tempted to address matters that should properly be discussed on Third...

Lord Harper | 532 c666-7 (Link to this contribution) You are always very quick to keep Members in order, Mr Deputy Speaker, but I was about to resist the...

Lord Harper | 532 c706 (Link to this contribution) I will keep going along this line for as long as Madam Deputy Speaker permits me.

Lord Harper | 532 c705-6 (Link to this contribution) I will give the hon. Gentleman a brief answer, because I fear that if I give too wide an answer, Mad...

Harriett Baldwin | 532 c708 (Link to this contribution) With the leave of the House, I would like to answer some of the Minister's points and thank everyone...

Lord Harper | 532 c708-9 (Link to this contribution) I was not very specific about the way in which the House will deal with the matter because we do not...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c706 (Link to this contribution) Let us take an individual who, for argument's sake, comes from Scotland, lives in Scotland, has a br...

Lord Harper | 532 c706-8 (Link to this contribution) It may do, but those are questions that can be dealt with when we debate House of Lords reform. We c...

Harriett Baldwin | 532 c709 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his clarification, but I am not sure that I heard within it a specific time...

Harriett Baldwin | 532 c709 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that clarification. It leads me to my final reaction to his statement. As h...

Lord Harper | 532 c709 (Link to this contribution) Let me clarify what I said. I did not say that there would be no out date; I simply said that I had ...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c709 (Link to this contribution) I am torn here. The hon. Lady has made some valid points, and I too am baffled by what the commissio...

Harriett Baldwin | 532 c709-10 (Link to this contribution) That gives me increasing grounds for worry about how people might be able to use a commission that h...

Guto Bebb | 532 c680 (Link to this contribution) The thinking of the Labour party in Wales seems to be that it is perfectly fine for Welsh Labour Mem...

Speaker | 532 c680 (Link to this contribution) Order. I am sure that an occasional mention of the Bill would be helpful to everyone.

Thomas Docherty | 532 c680-1 (Link to this contribution) You are absolutely right, Mr Deputy Speaker. An issue that has not quite been covered in the Third R...

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c681 (Link to this contribution) My recollection is that most members of the Committee that considered the Crossrail Bill were from S...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c679 (Link to this contribution) As you know, Mr Deputy Speaker, I am studying for a history degree from the Open university, and the...

Pete Wishart | 532 c679 (Link to this contribution) We have no absolutely no ambition to repatriate the likes of Lord Foulkes and Lord Forsyth.

Thomas Docherty | 532 c679-80 (Link to this contribution) I suspect that we might provide the hon. Gentleman with a list of some of the peers whom we would li...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c681 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend, as ever, makes a compelling argument. Indeed, as an ex-lawyer he does so much better...

Edward Leigh | 532 c681 (Link to this contribution) Let us concede that it is not the Secretary of State who should decide those things but the Speaker....

Thomas Docherty | 532 c682 (Link to this contribution) If we are to have such a system—and there has been some discussion of Standing Order No. 97—that is ...

Oliver Heald | 532 c684-5 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Dunfermline and West Fife (Thomas Docherty) made an engaging speech, but he did ...

Speaker | 532 c683 (Link to this contribution) Order. As hon. Members know, the Bill is not about questions. It is about legislation, and we will s...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c683 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful, Mr Deputy Speaker. Obviously, when at Question Time we are debating proposed Governme...

Speaker | 532 c682 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Gentleman should not tempt me. I do not need to wait for the last sentence. I was li...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c682-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful, Mr Deputy Speaker, for your kind words, as ever. Under the powers in the Bill, it is...

Speaker | 532 c682 (Link to this contribution) Order. I am sure the hon. Gentleman wants to come back to the Bill and mention that a little more. W...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c682 (Link to this contribution) If I had been able to finish the sentence, I was about to say—

Oliver Heald | 532 c682 (Link to this contribution) My constituency is in Hertfordshire.

Thomas Docherty | 532 c682 (Link to this contribution) I apologise. It just goes to show the benefits of living in a United Kingdom; otherwise I would not ...

Lord Harper | 532 c683 (Link to this contribution) Let me respond to that invitation. As the hon. Gentleman knows, the excellent Fixed-term Parliaments...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c684 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful. I know that there is a Fixed-term Parliaments Bill somewhere, but I do not think it i...

Guto Bebb | 532 c673 (Link to this contribution) On that important point, High Speed 2 has been mentioned. Obviously that issue affects England, but ...

Harriett Baldwin | 532 c673 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for that Welsh perspective and that support for the principles of the Bill.

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c673 (Link to this contribution) Does not the issue of HS2 illustrate how impractical and divisive this attempt to divide the House w...

Harriett Baldwin | 532 c673-4 (Link to this contribution) I am not saying, am I, that a lot of legislation will have those characteristics, but some legislati...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c674 (Link to this contribution) It is always comforting to hear that some Conservative MPs have the best interests of the Speaker at...

Harriett Baldwin | 532 c674-5 (Link to this contribution) That is why my Bill gives much more ample time for pre-legislative scrutiny of the draft legislation...

Philip Hollobone | 532 c675 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend on her role in pushing the Government finally to produce the written m...

Harriett Baldwin | 532 c675 (Link to this contribution) I would not want to make that sort of statement. The Minister has been extremely busy, and I know th...

Margot James | 532 c675 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend on piloting her Bill to this stage. Does she share my disappointment t...

Harriett Baldwin | 532 c675 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend asks a sensible question. Her point explains precisely why my Bill would provide that...

Pete Wishart | 532 c676 (Link to this contribution) While the hon. Lady is talking about membership of the commission, does she believe that it is absol...

Harriett Baldwin | 532 c676 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman raises important questions, and we will want to know who will serve on the commis...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c677 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to have caught your eye on Third Reading, Mr Deputy Speaker, and I commend the hon. Me...

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c677-8 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is being unfair; at least one of the hon. Gentlemen on the Conservative Benches has h...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c676 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady makes a compelling argument in support of her position, but she has not addressed the ...

Harriett Baldwin | 532 c676-7 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the commission will want to consider that important question. I have proposed a modes...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c678-9 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to disappoint the hon. Gentleman, but I do not believe in that logic. I believe in the Un...

Guto Bebb | 532 c679 (Link to this contribution) I would be grateful if the hon. Gentleman talked to his colleagues in the Welsh Labour party who des...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c678 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an important point, and I suspect that Mr Fraser would like to have that debate...

Edward Leigh | 532 c678 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman asked Members to intervene; I will, and I am prepared to concede that I should no...

Harriett Baldwin | 532 c673 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a perfectly valid point, but I will speak about some of the other recommendatio...

Edward Leigh | 532 c672-3 (Link to this contribution) I do not understand what the problem is. Why should there be any difficulty for the Government in re...

Harriett Baldwin | 532 c672 (Link to this contribution) I reassure the hon. Gentleman that nothing is further from my intention than to revisit the regional...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c672 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is doing a superb job of not falling into the trap that some of her colleagues fall in...

Harriett Baldwin | 532 c672 (Link to this contribution) My position is an English position. As a representative of an English constituency, I think that an ...

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c672 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady for giving way such a lot—this is a very important Bill for us all. Is her pos...

Harriett Baldwin | 532 c672 (Link to this contribution) I will not digress down that particular historical byway. Let me get back to the Bill, which does t...

Oliver Heald | 532 c671-2 (Link to this contribution) On the point that the hon. Member for Dunfermline and West Fife (Thomas Docherty) just made about th...

Harriett Baldwin | 532 c671 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady points out precisely why it is so important to resolve in this Parliament some of thos...

Helen Goodman | 532 c671 (Link to this contribution) An interesting point is developing here. I wonder whether the hon. Lady is considering not voting on...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c705 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful for the straight face with which the Minister said that last sentence, but given ...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c705 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful for the advice that the Minister is so generously giving, but can he say a little...

Lord Harper | 532 c705 (Link to this contribution) I am glad that the hon. Gentleman asks that. Clearly peers are not elected at the moment, so in no r...

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c705 (Link to this contribution) Of course I accept that the Government can never guarantee the passage of legislation through either...

Lord Harper | 532 c705 (Link to this contribution) I accept that there is a problem; I just thought that the hon. Gentleman overstated it. There is an ...

Edward Leigh | 532 c699-700 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the hon. Gentleman's intervention, because that point was the one grain of truth i...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c699 (Link to this contribution) I assure the hon. Gentleman that I am not a Fabian—I probably never will be a Fabian—but the differe...

Edward Leigh | 532 c700 (Link to this contribution) Between 1992 and 1997—and following the 1983 and even 1979 elections, when there were large Conserva...

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c700 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that the Bill that put into effect the poll tax in Scotland went to the Scottish Gran...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c702 (Link to this contribution) Will the commission examine what will happen with Government new clauses? A Bill may apply to only o...

Lord Harper | 532 c700-2 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to see you in the Chair, Madam Deputy Speaker. This morning, Mr Deputy Speaker was very...

Lord Harper | 532 c702 (Link to this contribution) That highlights the complexity of the issue. It is one reason why, as I have said, the Bill does not...

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c702 (Link to this contribution) To be clear, I think the agreement between the Minister's party and his absent friends is simply on ...

Lord Harper | 532 c702-3 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right, but we want to solve the problem and we want to make sure the solution ...

Oliver Heald | 532 c703 (Link to this contribution) I fully appreciate that my hon. Friend wants to consult the House authorities on how best to frame t...

Lord Harper | 532 c703-5 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend puts his finger on exactly the point on which we wish to consult Mr Speaker and the p...

Iain Stewart | 532 c692-3 (Link to this contribution) It is an intriguing suggestion and I invite the hon. Gentleman to submit that idea to the commission...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c692 (Link to this contribution) I am suggesting that there be a constitutional convention, as there was in Scotland, at the end of w...

Iain Stewart | 532 c692 (Link to this contribution) I am rather puzzled by the hon. Gentleman's comments. I am not clear whether he wants a separate ref...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c692 (Link to this contribution) I am very clear. I hope that what comes out of this is some proposal to put to the people. It is biz...

Tom Greatrex | 532 c694 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is touching on an important point about the SNP position. In his contribution, the ho...

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c693-4 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to be able to follow the hon. Member for Milton Keynes South (Iain Stewart), who has ...

David Nuttall | 532 c697 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Edinburgh North and Leith (Mark Lazarowicz). I am gla...

Edward Leigh | 532 c697-9 (Link to this contribution) We have had a very long debate, but the issue is terribly simple. I agree with virtually everything ...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c695 (Link to this contribution) I just want to make an observation. I have heard the remarks from Government Members about the growi...

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c695-7 (Link to this contribution) They would be very angry, and would be entitled to be if they were supporters of a party that suppor...

Pete Wishart | 532 c689-90 (Link to this contribution) That is a very good point, and I am glad that the hon. Gentleman has mentioned it. I shall deal with...

Pete Wishart | 532 c690-1 (Link to this contribution) I do not care who eventually makes the decision. I am quite happy for it to be the Speaker. The only...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c690 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is advancing a relatively cogent argument. Does he agree that the Secretary of St...

Pete Wishart | 532 c688 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for getting that absolutely right; I should always get him to answer my questio...

Lord Harper | 532 c688 (Link to this contribution) This is to do with language. When colleagues refer to ““England-only”” measures, they are not really...

Pete Wishart | 532 c688 (Link to this contribution) I want to make some progress, if I may, and I think that we have probably dealt with that particular...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c688 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Iain Stewart | 532 c691-2 (Link to this contribution) It is always a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Perth and North Perthshire (Pete Wishart), and...

Lord Harper | 532 c692 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend demonstrates something. It is sometimes said by those in the House that only Conserva...

Iain Stewart | 532 c692 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for making that point. It is important that we address these points ...

Pete Wishart | 532 c687 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has a better memory than I have, because I cannot recall any such thing being sai...

Tom Greatrex | 532 c687 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the hon. Gentleman will correct me, but I recall that, during the coalition negotiations, th...

Pete Wishart | 532 c687 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that. All I can say is: thank goodness that will not be my problem...

Lord Harper | 532 c687 (Link to this contribution) Part of the reason I suggested that we should think of different terms is that the hon. Gentleman ha...

Pete Wishart | 532 c686 (Link to this contribution) Let me start by again congratulating the hon. Member for West Worcestershire (Harriett Baldwin) on p...

Oliver Heald | 532 c686 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has taken a great interest in the issue over many years and has great knowledge of co...

Edward Leigh | 532 c686 (Link to this contribution) As usual, my hon. Friend gives a very erudite speech. In all the chaff that came from the mouth of t...

Oliver Heald | 532 c685 (Link to this contribution) That brings me to my next point. The Standing Order is not written in such a way as to disadvantage ...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c685 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a compelling argument, but unfortunately that is not what the Bill does; it...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c688 (Link to this contribution) I think that the hon. Gentleman must have misspoken, because he just said that he would vote only on...

Pete Wishart | 532 c688 (Link to this contribution) This is the kind of nonsense that we get from opponents of the West Lothian question. The logic of t...

Lord Harper | 532 c666 (Link to this contribution) I shall address that point later, but for now let me say that when we publish legislation, we alread...

Mark Lazarowicz | 532 c694-5 (Link to this contribution) That proves a point. If MPs representing constituencies outside England were barred from voting on ...

Thomas Docherty | 532 c688-9 (Link to this contribution) This is a passionate and compelling speech; it is almost bringing tears to my eyes. However, the hon...

Subjects

Jurisdiction Legislation Ministerial duties West Lothian question English votes for English laws

Legislation

Legislation (Territorial Extent) Bill 2010-12

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