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To ask His Majesty’s Government what plans they have to retain employment rights legislation contained in retained European Union law beyond the end of 2023.

Asked by
Lord Woodley (Labour)
Oral questions - Lead
Status
Answered
Date
1 February 2023
Reference
827 cc657-661
House
House of Lords

My Lords, we are proud of the UK’s record on employment standards, having raised domestic standards over recent years to make them some of the highest in the world. Our high standards were never dependent on us mirroring the same rules as the EU. We are seizing the opportunities provided by Brexit to review all retained EU law and ensure that our regulations are tailored to the needs of the UK economy.

Answered by
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
1 February 2023
Reference
827 c658
House
House of Lords

As I have said to the noble Lord on this issue before, our workers’ rights, of which we are very proud, do not and did not depend on our membership of the EU. We have standards far in excess of those provided by the EU. Regarding the regulations the noble Lord mentions, as with all retained EU law we will look at that and see whether it is appropriate for the UK economy, and if necessary we will modernise, update or replace it.

Answered by
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
1 February 2023
Reference
827 c658
House
House of Lords

We will no doubt have this debate at Second Reading of the rule legislation on Monday. If those are the comments of the director-general of the CBI, then he is wrong. Our paternity and maternity regulations are far in excess of those guaranteed by EU minimums. We are proud of that and will continue with them.

Answered by
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
1 February 2023
Reference
827 c658
House
House of Lords

As the noble Lord said, they are all available on the dashboard for him to refer to.

Answered by
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
1 February 2023
Reference
827 c659
House
House of Lords

Noble Lords are confused: just because there is an item of retained of EU law, it does not mean it is necessarily still valid for the UK. It has been a very useful exercise to go back through the history books to find out about some of this stuff. Much of it is no longer applicable—some of it refers to sugar prices in the 1970s. My favourite bit is a regulation referring to the movement of reindeer between Denmark and Sweden. I am sure noble Lords do not believe that this is something we should retain on our statute book.

Answered by
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
1 February 2023
Reference
827 c659
House
House of Lords

I say to my noble friend that we have made it clear that we have no intention of weakening workers’ rights. I know this is a common refrain from the Opposition but let me repeat: UK standards did not depend on EU law. Let me give noble Lords an example. UK workers are entitled to 5.6 weeks of annual leave, compared with the EU requirement of four weeks. We provide a year of maternity leave, with the option to convert parental leave to enable parents to share care. The EU minimum maternity leave is 14 weeks. Our standards are far in excess of those provided by the EU.

Answered by
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
1 February 2023
Reference
827 c659
House
House of Lords

Perhaps the noble Lord could write and tell me what parts of British law have worse standards than are provided by the EU, because as far as I am concerned the vast majority of our standards are in excess of those offered by the EU. We will take the opportunity of reviewing retained EU law to update and modernise it to make it fit for the UK economy.

Answered by
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
1 February 2023
Reference
827 c659
House
House of Lords

We are providing certainty. The sunset date provides certainty: a target by which departments can look at their body of retained EU law and decide whether it needs replacing, retaining or updating.

Answered by
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
1 February 2023
Reference
827 c660
House
House of Lords

Parliament is not being refused the opportunity to discuss these things. We will no doubt have many days of debate on the retained EU law Bill. All the regulations that are updated or changed will come back to Parliament for approval, in precisely the same way as the EU regulations were introduced in the first place—in fact, they were subject to a lesser degree of scrutiny. I would have a little more support for the position of some noble Lords if they had objected to the way this legislation was introduced into UK law in the first place.

Answered by
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
1 February 2023
Reference
827 c660
House
House of Lords

I am pleased that the noble Lord finally got round to a question. We are proud of our record on workers’ rights, particularly women’s rights. I quoted earlier the figures on the maternity leave provisions that are applicable in the UK as opposed to the EU; we want to see that happy state of affairs continue.

Answered by
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
1 February 2023
Reference
827 c660
House
House of Lords

My Lords, the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy is responsible for labour relations and works closely with trade unions. Engagement is essential for developing and delivering our policies and, during the pandemic, helped to support jobs and keep workers safe. For example, the unions and business worked together to help to deliver a package of economic support through the job protection retention scheme, which protected millions of jobs.

Answered by
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
23 January 2023
Reference
827 c1
House
House of Lords

We engage with the trade unions regularly. There have been a number of meetings in recent weeks, particularly about strike action, but the retained EU law Bill is not about workers’ rights; it is about retained EU legislation and the consequences that will flow from that. However, there will be a full opportunity to debate that in the House in the near future.

Answered by
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
23 January 2023
Reference
827 c1
House
House of Lords

We are of course continuing to do detailed work on this matter. There will be an opportunity to debate that in full in the House in the near future, and I am sure that the noble Earl will want to make his contribution on that. We will update the dashboard shortly.

Answered by
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
23 January 2023
Reference
827 c1
House
House of Lords

I do not have a precise number but there are of course a number of civil servants working on the legislation that is before Parliament and has been discussed extensively in the House of

Commons. Every department is engaged in looking through its EU legislation to see what is there. Obviously most of the main pieces have been identified, but sometimes there are obscure Acts and regulations that they are still discovering.

Answered by
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
23 January 2023
Reference
827 c1
House
House of Lords

The noble Lord has a good line in hyperbole but, as normal, he is absolutely wrong. UK employment rights do not depend on EU law. I will give him some examples. UK workers are entitled to 5.6 weeks of annual leave; in the EU, it is only four weeks. We provide a year of maternity leave, with the option to convert it to parental leave; the EU minimum is just 14 weeks. Our labour standards are some of the highest in the world. We are proud of that, and it does not depend on what the EU does.

Answered by
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
23 January 2023
Reference
827 c3
House
House of Lords

I thank my noble friend for his view on that. I am sure we will have a full debate on the proposed sunset date for regulations. I do not think the system with the Northern Ireland protocol is the same as the Bill.

Answered by
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
23 January 2023
Reference
827 c3
House
House of Lords

That criterion is imbedded in all choices. The whole idea of the REUL Bill is that we can have a proper look at EU retained law, change its status, see what is appropriate for the UK and what is not, and what can be removed and improved. That is the fundamental purpose of the Bill, but I am sure we are going to have all these discussions as the legislation proceeds.

Answered by
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
23 January 2023
Reference
827 c3
House
House of Lords

I thought I had answered the noble Lord, Lord Woodley, but let me repeat the point for the noble Lord, Lord Watts, who obviously was not listening closely. UK employment rights do not depend on the European Union. Let me give him some more examples of how our rights are better than in the EU. The right to flexible working for all employees was introduced in the UK in the early 2000s; the EU agreed such rules only recently. The UK introduced two weeks of paid paternity leave in 2003, but the EU has got around to that only recently.

Answered by
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
23 January 2023
Reference
827 c4
House
House of Lords

I will leave the appropriate Ministers to commentate on what is happening in Defra. The noble Baroness is right that a lot of retained EU law belongs in Defra. I am sure Defra is looking very closely at what can be changed, modified or repealed as we speak.

Answered by
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
23 January 2023
Reference
827 c4
House
House of Lords