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Lord Sainsbury of Turville took the oath.
Lord Sainsbury of Turville took the oath.
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Lord Sainsbury of Turville
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Oaths and affirmations; Peers
Date
22 December 2010
Reference
723 c1091
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, could a working definition of a working Peer be a Member of your Lordships' House who spends a lot of hours in the Chamber very properly scrutinising ill thought-out, badly prepared and excessive legislation such as the Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill brought in by this Government?
My Lords, could a working definition of a working Peer be a Member of your Lordships' House who spends a lot of hours in the Chamber very properly scrutinising ill thought-out, badly prepared and excessive legislation such as the Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill brought in by this Government?
Asked by
Lord Howarth of Newport
(Labour)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
21 December 2010
My Lords, in many ways, that may well have been a definition of those Peers who worked bravely on behalf of the Opposition in the dark years between 1997 and 2010. However, I indicated in answer to an earlier question that I thought the term ““working Peer”” was now outdated.
Subjects
House of Lords; Peers; Terminology
Date
21 December 2010
Reference
723 c989
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, would the noble Lord agree that without financial inducements there is no possibility of any Peer—or very few Peers—retiring?
My Lords, would the noble Lord agree that without financial inducements there is no possibility of any Peer—or very few Peers—retiring?
Asked by
Earl of Sandwich
(Crossbench)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
21 December 2010
My Lords, when the leave of absence scheme was introduced, several hundred Peers—or in the low hundreds—took advantage of it without financial inducement, so I do not agree with the noble Earl’s premise. I also think that the public would find it very hard to understand why many who had been given the honour of being a Member of the House of Lords should then be paid to leave it.
Subjects
House of Lords; Peers; Terminology
Date
21 December 2010
Reference
723 c989
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I am sure that the noble Lord is right to say that all Peers come here to work, but is not the question whether there is enough room for them to come given the propensity of the Government to appoint many more of their own Peers to flood this place?
My Lords, I am sure that the noble Lord is right to say that all Peers come here to work, but is not the question whether there is enough room for them to come given the propensity of the Government to appoint many more of their own Peers to flood this place?
Asked by
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath
(Labour)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
21 December 2010
We know, my Lords, that there is not enough room. However, I am delighted to say that, very shortly, I shall be receiving from my noble friend Lord Hunt of Wirral a report on retirement from the House. I hope that will point us in the right direction of finding ways to reduce our numbers voluntarily or perhaps even otherwise.
Subjects
House of Lords; Peers; Terminology
Date
21 December 2010
Reference
723 c988
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I am sure that the noble Lord deserved exactly what he got. The noble Lord tempts me. This is slightly beyond the scope of the Question. There is a statutory limit to the number of Ministers. I regret that there are Ministers who are unpaid in your Lordships' House but they are all volunteers. They all signed up and knew what they were getting when they started. It is a great honour and a privilege to serve Her Majesty's Government in this House.
My Lords, I am sure that the noble Lord deserved exactly what he got. The noble Lord tempts me. This is slightly beyond the scope of the Question. There is a statutory limit to the number of Ministers. I regret that there are Ministers who are unpaid in your Lordships' House but they are all volunteers. They all signed up and knew what they were getting when they started. It is a great honour and a privilege to serve Her Majesty's Government in this House.
Answered by
Lord Strathclyde
(Conservative)
Asked by
Lord Faulkner of Worcester
(Labour)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Could I ask the Leader of the House about working Ministers? Is he satisfied that a significant number of his Front-Bench colleagues are not in receipt of a ministerial salary? Is that not an undesirable trend, which was started by the previous Administration and continued by this one? I declare an interest as someone who was for a considerable time unpaid and latterly was paid.
Subjects
House of Lords; Peers; Terminology
Date
21 December 2010
Reference
723 c988-9
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, the term ““working Peer”” has been used since the 1950s to refer to Peers appointed to the House of Lords following nomination by one of the political parties. Such nominations are subject to vetting for propriety by the House of Lords Appointments Commission.
My Lords, the term ““working Peer”” has been used since the 1950s to refer to Peers appointed to the House of Lords following nomination by one of the political parties. Such nominations are subject to vetting for propriety by the House of Lords Appointments Commission.
Answered by
Lord Strathclyde
(Conservative)
Asked by
Lord Selsdon
(Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
To ask Her Majesty’s Government, in the light of the announcements by the Prime Minister to appoint a number of new life Peers as ““working Peers””, what is their definition of a ““working Peer””.
Subjects
House of Lords; Peers; Terminology
Date
21 December 2010
Reference
723 c987
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, in many ways, that may well have been a definition of those Peers who worked bravely on behalf of the Opposition in the dark years between 1997 and 2010. However, I indicated in answer to an earlier question that I thought the term ““working Peer”” was now outdated.
My Lords, in many ways, that may well have been a definition of those Peers who worked bravely on behalf of the Opposition in the dark years between 1997 and 2010. However, I indicated in answer to an earlier question that I thought the term ““working Peer”” was now outdated.
Answered by
Lord Strathclyde
(Conservative)
Asked by
Lord Howarth of Newport
(Labour)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, could a working definition of a working Peer be a Member of your Lordships' House who spends a lot of hours in the Chamber very properly scrutinising ill thought-out, badly prepared and excessive legislation such as the Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill brought in by this Government?
Subjects
House of Lords; Peers; Terminology
Date
21 December 2010
Reference
723 c989
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, when the leave of absence scheme was introduced, several hundred Peers—or in the low hundreds—took advantage of it without financial inducement, so I do not agree with the noble Earl’s premise. I also think that the public would find it very hard to understand why many who had been given the honour of being a Member of the House of Lords should then be paid to leave it.
My Lords, when the leave of absence scheme was introduced, several hundred Peers—or in the low hundreds—took advantage of it without financial inducement, so I do not agree with the noble Earl’s premise. I also think that the public would find it very hard to understand why many who had been given the honour of being a Member of the House of Lords should then be paid to leave it.
Answered by
Lord Strathclyde
(Conservative)
Asked by
Earl of Sandwich
(Crossbench)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, would the noble Lord agree that without financial inducements there is no possibility of any Peer—or very few Peers—retiring?
Subjects
House of Lords; Peers; Terminology
Date
21 December 2010
Reference
723 c989
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I know that my noble friend speaks for himself in posing these questions. He said that he was glad of my little history lesson. I know that he has done endless research on this question. He is broadly right: there is no statutory basis for the term ““working Peer””. It does not appear in the Companion or in our Standing Orders. It has been used in the past as a term of convenience. My view is that all Peers come here to work; no Peer comes here except as a volunteer; and they fully understand the duties that they will have to perform when they get here.
My Lords, I know that my noble friend speaks for himself in posing these questions. He said that he was glad of my little history lesson. I know that he has done endless research on this question. He is broadly right: there is no statutory basis for the term ““working Peer””. It does not appear in the Companion or in our Standing Orders. It has been used in the past as a term of convenience. My view is that all Peers come here to work; no Peer comes here except as a volunteer; and they fully understand the duties that they will have to perform when they get here.
Answered by
Lord Strathclyde
(Conservative)
Asked by
Lord Selsdon
(Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, I am most grateful to my noble friend for that little bit of history, but is he aware that the official advice given to me is that there is no term ““working Peer”” and that Members of your Lordships' House, other than the 20 who hold positions and are paid from the public purse, do not work? Will he therefore explain to me whether I am right or wrong, and whether the only term of comparison that I can find in my research is correct; that is, that the nearest relationship is the worker bee? If we do not work, are we all known as drones?
Subjects
House of Lords; Peers; Terminology
Date
21 December 2010
Reference
723 c987-8
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
We know, my Lords, that there is not enough room. However, I am delighted to say that, very shortly, I shall be receiving from my noble friend Lord Hunt of Wirral a report on retirement from the House. I hope that will point us in the right direction of finding ways to reduce our numbers voluntarily or perhaps even otherwise.
We know, my Lords, that there is not enough room. However, I am delighted to say that, very shortly, I shall be receiving from my noble friend Lord Hunt of Wirral a report on retirement from the House. I hope that will point us in the right direction of finding ways to reduce our numbers voluntarily or perhaps even otherwise.
Answered by
Lord Strathclyde
(Conservative)
Asked by
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath
(Labour)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, I am sure that the noble Lord is right to say that all Peers come here to work, but is not the question whether there is enough room for them to come given the propensity of the Government to appoint many more of their own Peers to flood this place?
Subjects
House of Lords; Peers; Terminology
Date
21 December 2010
Reference
723 c988
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
That is exactly why I will await the final report of my noble friend: to see whether or not he raises any of those issues.
That is exactly why I will await the final report of my noble friend: to see whether or not he raises any of those issues.
Answered by
Lord Strathclyde
(Conservative)
Asked by
Lord Phillips of Sudbury
(Liberal Democrat)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, after the noble Lord, Lord Hunt of Wirral, reports on retirement arrangements, what does my noble friend think should be done, if anything, about those Peers who do not take the enticement, but do not speak, do not vote, do not serve on committees and often do not attend?
Subjects
House of Lords; Peers; Terminology
Date
21 December 2010
Reference
723 c989
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, appointments are entirely in the hands of the Prime Minister, but the coalition agreement indicated that pending long-term reform of the House, we would gradually move towards appointments made more in proportion to the political parties in the House of Commons.
My Lords, appointments are entirely in the hands of the Prime Minister, but the coalition agreement indicated that pending long-term reform of the House, we would gradually move towards appointments made more in proportion to the political parties in the House of Commons.
Answered by
Lord Strathclyde
(Conservative)
Asked by
Lord Campbell-Savours
(Labour)
Type
Oral answers to questions
When the next crop of Peers is finally in, what will be the proportion of Peers on each of the Benches?
Subjects
House of Lords; Peers; Terminology
Date
21 December 2010
Reference
723 c989
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
That was certainly the view in the 1950s when the term was first introduced. I do not think that it is necessary to use the phrase ““working Peer”” any more. It is certainly not one that I will use from now on and I shall encourage others not to use it either. I do not think that Peers should encourage being described either as working or non-working Peers.
That was certainly the view in the 1950s when the term was first introduced. I do not think that it is necessary to use the phrase ““working Peer”” any more. It is certainly not one that I will use from now on and I shall encourage others not to use it either. I do not think that Peers should encourage being described either as working or non-working Peers.
Answered by
Lord Strathclyde
(Conservative)
Asked by
Lord Geddes
(Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, is there not an implication in the style of "working Peer" that those of us who are not deemed to be such are idle?
Subjects
House of Lords; Peers; Terminology
Date
21 December 2010
Reference
723 c988
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I am most grateful to my noble friend for that little bit of history, but is he aware that the official advice given to me is that there is no term ““working Peer”” and that Members of your Lordships' House, other than the 20 who hold positions and are paid from the public purse, do not work? Will he therefore explain to me whether I am right or wrong, and whether the only term of comparison that I can find in my research is correct; that is, that the nearest relationship is the worker bee? If we do not work, are we all known as drones?
My Lords, I am most grateful to my noble friend for that little bit of history, but is he aware that the official advice given to me is that there is no term ““working Peer”” and that Members of your Lordships' House, other than the 20 who hold positions and are paid from the public purse, do not work? Will he therefore explain to me whether I am right or wrong, and whether the only term of comparison that I can find in my research is correct; that is, that the nearest relationship is the worker bee? If we do not work, are we all known as drones?
Asked by
Lord Selsdon
(Conservative)
Oral questions - 1st Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
21 December 2010
My Lords, I know that my noble friend speaks for himself in posing these questions. He said that he was glad of my little history lesson. I know that he has done endless research on this question. He is broadly right: there is no statutory basis for the term ““working Peer””. It does not appear in the Companion or in our Standing Orders. It has been used in the past as a term of convenience. My view is that all Peers come here to work; no Peer comes here except as a volunteer; and they fully understand the duties that they will have to perform when they get here.
Subjects
House of Lords; Peers; Terminology
Date
21 December 2010
Reference
723 c987-8
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, is there not an implication in the style of "working Peer" that those of us who are not deemed to be such are idle?
My Lords, is there not an implication in the style of "working Peer" that those of us who are not deemed to be such are idle?
Asked by
Lord Geddes
(Conservative)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
21 December 2010
That was certainly the view in the 1950s when the term was first introduced. I do not think that it is necessary to use the phrase ““working Peer”” any more. It is certainly not one that I will use from now on and I shall encourage others not to use it either. I do not think that Peers should encourage being described either as working or non-working Peers.
Subjects
House of Lords; Peers; Terminology
Date
21 December 2010
Reference
723 c988
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
When the next crop of Peers is finally in, what will be the proportion of Peers on each of the Benches?
When the next crop of Peers is finally in, what will be the proportion of Peers on each of the Benches?
Asked by
Lord Campbell-Savours
(Labour)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
21 December 2010
My Lords, appointments are entirely in the hands of the Prime Minister, but the coalition agreement indicated that pending long-term reform of the House, we would gradually move towards appointments made more in proportion to the political parties in the House of Commons.
Subjects
House of Lords; Peers; Terminology
Date
21 December 2010
Reference
723 c989
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, after the noble Lord, Lord Hunt of Wirral, reports on retirement arrangements, what does my noble friend think should be done, if anything, about those Peers who do not take the enticement, but do not speak, do not vote, do not serve on committees and often do not attend?
My Lords, after the noble Lord, Lord Hunt of Wirral, reports on retirement arrangements, what does my noble friend think should be done, if anything, about those Peers who do not take the enticement, but do not speak, do not vote, do not serve on committees and often do not attend?
Asked by
Lord Phillips of Sudbury
(Liberal Democrat)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
21 December 2010
That is exactly why I will await the final report of my noble friend: to see whether or not he raises any of those issues.
Subjects
House of Lords; Peers; Terminology
Date
21 December 2010
Reference
723 c989
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
Could I ask the Leader of the House about working Ministers? Is he satisfied that a significant number of his Front-Bench colleagues are not in receipt of a ministerial salary? Is that not an undesirable trend, which was started by the previous Administration and continued by this one? I declare an interest as someone who was for a considerable time unpaid and latterly was paid.
Could I ask the Leader of the House about working Ministers? Is he satisfied that a significant number of his Front-Bench colleagues are not in receipt of a ministerial salary? Is that not an undesirable trend, which was started by the previous Administration and continued by this one? I declare an interest as someone who was for a considerable time unpaid and latterly was paid.
Asked by
Lord Faulkner of Worcester
(Labour)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
21 December 2010
My Lords, I am sure that the noble Lord deserved exactly what he got. The noble Lord tempts me. This is slightly beyond the scope of the Question. There is a statutory limit to the number of Ministers. I regret that there are Ministers who are unpaid in your Lordships' House but they are all volunteers. They all signed up and knew what they were getting when they started. It is a great honour and a privilege to serve Her Majesty's Government in this House.
Subjects
House of Lords; Peers; Terminology
Date
21 December 2010
Reference
723 c988-9
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
To ask Her Majesty’s Government, in the light of the announcements by the Prime Minister to appoint a number of new life Peers as ““working Peers””, what is their definition of a ““working Peer””.
To ask Her Majesty’s Government, in the light of the announcements by the Prime Minister to appoint a number of new life Peers as ““working Peers””, what is their definition of a ““working Peer””.
Asked by
Lord Selsdon
(Conservative)
Answered by
Lord Strathclyde
(Conservative)
Oral questions - Lead
Status
Answered
For answer on
21 December 2010
Answered on
21 December 2010
My Lords, the term ““working Peer”” has been used since the 1950s to refer to Peers appointed to the House of Lords following nomination by one of the political parties. Such nominations are subject to vetting for propriety by the House of Lords Appointments Commission.
Subjects
House of Lords; Peers; Terminology
Date
21 December 2010
Reference
723 c987
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
To ask Her Majesty’s Government what guidance is given to Ministers regarding the timing of replies to letters from Members of the House of Lords.
To ask Her Majesty’s Government what guidance is given to Ministers regarding the timing of replies to letters from Members of the House of Lords.
Asked by
Lord Ramsbotham
(Crossbench)
Answered by
Lord Taylor of Holbeach
(Conservative)
Type
Written questions
Status
Answered
Answered on
20 December 2010
The Cabinet Office guidance, Handling Correspondence from Members of Parliament, Members of the House of Lords, MEPs and Members of Devolved Assemblies: Guidance for Departments advises departments that they should respond to letters promptly. The guidance suggests a target of 20 working days for replying to letters but a number of departments set a tighter deadline. A copy of the guidance is available in the Library of the House.
The Cabinet Office also publishes an annual report on the handling of correspondence from MPs and Peers which shows performance against departmental targets. Information for 2009 was published on 16 March 2010, Official Report, col. WS58. Information for 2010 is currently being collated and will be published shortly.
Subjects
Correspondence; House of Lords; Government departments; Ministers; Peers
Date
20 December 2010
Reference
5131; 723 c255WA
House
House of Lords