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Lords motion that debate on motion in name of Lord Howell of Guildford set down for today be limited to three hours and that in name of Lord Popat to two hours. Agreed to on question (formal).

Lead member
Lord Strathclyde
Type
Non-legislative formal proceedings
Date
6 December 2012
Reference
741 c756
House
House of Lords

My Lords, the Leader of the House has moved that the debate on the Motion in the name of my noble friend Lord Harrison should

last for two hours. On the Order Paper, after that, there are, astonishingly, to be two Statements by two separate Ministers on the same subject....

Member
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 November 2012
Reference
741 c259
House
House of Lords

My Lords, when he replies to that, can my noble friend the Leader of the House tell us whether the Statements are going to be antiphonal or sequential, and whether the Ministers will be questioned after each section of the Statement or at the end? Can he also tell us...

Member
Lord Cormack (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 November 2012
Reference
741 c260
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am delighted that so many noble Lords are sharp-eyed and have spotted that the annunciator has said that there will be two Statements after the Labour Party debates this afternoon. I am very happy to explain the position to the House. The noble Lord, Lord Foulkes, says...

Member
Lord Strathclyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 November 2012
Reference
741 c260
House
House of Lords

Oh!

Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 November 2012
Reference
741 c260
House
House of Lords

But, my Lords, I gather that in the 1930s this sort of arrangement apparently took place. We have a coalition. On occasions—

Member
Lord Strathclyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 November 2012
Reference
741 c260
House
House of Lords

Oh!

Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 November 2012
Reference
741 c260
House
House of Lords

On occasions, the different parties of the coalition should be able to make their views known to Parliament, and it looks as though this afternoon is one of those occasions.

As to the propriety of this House, what we are doing in this House is really quite simple. We are simply...

Member
Lord Strathclyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 November 2012
Reference
741 cc260-1
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Strathclyde, for so eloquently explaining the difficulties that the Government have found themselves in. Presumably that was an offer for me to make a statement—and presumably from the government Benches—because it seems that anyone can speak for the Government...

Member
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 November 2012
Reference
741 c261
House
House of Lords

If the Statements are to be taken this way, would it then be in order for the noble Lord, Lord McNally, to question the noble Lord, Lord Strathclyde, on his Statement, and for the noble Lord to question the noble Lord, Lord McNally, on his?

Member
Lord Touhig (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 November 2012
Reference
741 c261
House
House of Lords

I am sure that my noble friend wishes to help the House in this unusual situation. Will he give the example from the 1930s where a precedent was established?

Member
Lord Dykes (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 November 2012
Reference
741 c261
House
House of Lords

Before the noble Lord replies, I wonder if I could ask him one simple question. There are two parties in the coalition: the Conservative Party and the Liberal Democrats. The Conservative view will be put by the noble Lord, Lord Strathclyde, and the Liberal Democrat view will be put by...

Member
Lord Richard (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 November 2012
Reference
741 c262
House
House of Lords

My Lords, in relation to the point that I raised initially about who should agree to two Statements, now that we have had an excellent explanation by the Leader of the House, I am absolutely certain that this House would agree unanimously and that we look forward to the entertainment...

Member
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 November 2012
Reference
741 c262
House
House of Lords

My Lords—before my convenor speaks—is it not the case that the British constitution, in its wonderful unwritten form, consists of precedents, all of which have been developed in a completely pragmatic, evolutionary way in order to meet the circumstances of the day? It is indeed a different situation when we...

Member
Lord Greaves (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 November 2012
Reference
741 c262
House
House of Lords

Does my noble friend the Leader of the House share my curiosity that there was such unanimity in this House, and indeed in the other place, in welcoming the developments of very unusual forms of coalition in my part of the United Kingdom and regarding those as important pieces of...

Member
Lord Alderdice (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 November 2012
Reference
741 c262
House
House of Lords

Surely this House is about holding the Government to account, and we have Statements so that we can hold the Government to account—not for people to issue their manifestos on particular issues. Surely the purpose of this House is to hold the Government to account, but we need someone to...

Member
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 November 2012
Reference
741 c262
House
House of Lords

Is it now not abundantly plain that antiphonal would be better?

Member
Lord Cormack (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 November 2012
Reference
741 c262
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I think that my noble friend Lord Cormack is enjoying himself far too much by repeating that word. Actually, I think the whole

House is enjoying itself far too much and we really need to bring this very short debate to an end. My noble friend Lord Alderdice...

Member
Lord Strathclyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 November 2012
Reference
741 cc262-3
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I do not want to detain the House, although clearly the noble Lord, Lord Strathclyde, is enjoying this debate. However, I would refer him to the Companion. It refers to “a government announcement”—it does not talk about separate government announcements. The noble Lord cannot have it both ways....

Member
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 November 2012
Reference
741 c263
House
House of Lords

My Lords, this is pedantry. If the noble Lords opposite really did not want these Statements they could have said so and the Statements would not be taking place.

Member
Lord Strathclyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 November 2012
Reference
741 c263
House
House of Lords