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To ask Her Majesty’s Government further to the remarks of Baroness Warsi on 19 November (HL Deb, GC 402), on what evidence they base their conclusion that the persecution of Christians is mostly the work of extremists who do not follow any faith. [HL3881]

Asked by
Lord Pearson of Rannoch (UK Independence Party)
Type
Written questions
Status
Answered
Date
18 December 2013
Reference
HL3881; 750 c228WA
House
House of Lords

Will the hon. Gentleman give way on that point?

Member
Mark Field (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2013
Reference
571 c845
House
House of Commons

I am sorry but I cannot; I want to give Members a chance to speak.

I turn to Pakistan and the killing of 85 people and the wounding of 150 others in a suicide bombing attack. The Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan—the TTP terrorist organisation—is specifically targeting Christians in Pakistan. What will the British...

Member
Jim Shannon (Democratic Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2013
Reference
571 cc845-6
House
House of Commons

I should like to set out the Government’s position on this important matter. A little later, I will sum up the debate and answer the questions from the hon. Member for Strangford (Jim Shannon) and those that other hon. Members will no doubt ask. I congratulate the Democratic Unionist party...

Member
Mark Simmonds (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2013
Reference
571 cc846-7
House
House of Commons

I accept that view, but would the Minister acknowledge the depressing paradox that some of the worst persecution is taking place in notional democracies? In some cases, the Christian population would be better looked after under a dictatorship—such as in Syria under President Assad—than in a country that is notionally...

Member
Mark Field (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2013
Reference
571 c847
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend makes an important point, although he will be aware that we believe that President Assad’s regime in Syria has engaged in a deliberate attempt to stir up tensions between religious groups in order to hold on to power. My hon. Friend is right to suggest that these...

Member
Mark Simmonds (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2013
Reference
571 c847
House
House of Commons

The Minister has just read out a list that, perhaps surprisingly, sounds very similar to the Chinese constitution. Given the fact that my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister is in China at the moment, would the Minister like to put on record that the Chinese regime needs to abide...

Member
Mark Pritchard (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2013
Reference
571 c847
House
House of Commons

I understand the point that my hon. Friend is making, but I re-emphasise the fact that we strongly support freedom of religion for all, including in China—the example he gave—in accordance with international frameworks to which the United Kingdom and China are both party. We regularly raise the issue of...

Member
Mark Simmonds (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2013
Reference
571 cc847-9
House
House of Commons

The Minister says that we should not focus too much on Christians—I understand that—but if we accept that argument we should not have complained about the persecution of Jews in Nazi Germany because that would have made them a target. I do not necessarily accept all his arguments. He must...

Member
Edward Leigh (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2013
Reference
571 c849
House
House of Commons

I understand my hon. Friend’s point. He says that the majority of those who are persecuted for their religious belief are Christians, but there are others who are suffering as well—people of different religions and of no religious faith. Another example that the hon. Member for Strangford gave was the...

Member
Mark Simmonds (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2013
Reference
571 c849
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to the Minister for being so generous in taking interventions. In order for there to be some balance vis-à-vis my remarks on China and following on from a debate a week or so ago in Westminster Hall, does he agree that Uighurs in the Xinjiang province of...

Member
Mark Pritchard (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2013
Reference
571 c849
House
House of Commons

I think my hon. Friend is referring to the Buddhists in Tibet, which I have visited. Certainly, wherever people of religious belief exist, they should be

allowed to practise free of persecution, intimidation and violence. As I have said before in relation to China or anywhere else, this is a...

Member
Mark Simmonds (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2013
Reference
571 c849
House
House of Commons

This debate is entitled persecution of Christians. With all due respect to my hon. Friend, there is a risk of the Foreign Office not appreciating the real growing concern about the global persecution of Christians. It is not sufficient to say that because some other people are being persecuted, we...

Member
Tony Baldry (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2013
Reference
571 c850
House
House of Commons

I am grateful for that intervention, and if my hon. Friend will allow me to make some progress I shall set out the changes that will emanate from the work done by my noble Friend Baroness Warsi.

Member
Mark Simmonds (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2013
Reference
571 c850
House
House of Commons

Will the Minister give way?

Member
Jim Cunningham (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2013
Reference
571 c850
House
House of Commons

Perhaps I could make little progress, so that I can set out some of the changes that we are making.

We are focusing on the multilateral work at the UN and the OSCE. During the United Nations General Assembly ministerial week at the end of September, we convened a meeting to...

Member
Mark Simmonds (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2013
Reference
571 c850
House
House of Commons

rose—

Member
Jeremy Lefroy (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2013
Reference
571 c850
House
House of Commons

Let me set this out, then I will happily give way.

We have also introduced new training courses to equip our diplomats to understand the crucial role religion plays in the world today. I should stress that the promotion of the freedom of religion or belief, of which the Christian religion...

Member
Mark Simmonds (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2013
Reference
571 c850
House
House of Commons

I congratulate the DUP on securing the debate. May I tease out from the Minister what he understands by the phrase “freedom of religion or belief”? Is it merely a matter of being able to worship, a matter of being able to worship publicly, or a matter of being able...

Member
Jeremy Lefroy (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2013
Reference
571 c850
House
House of Commons

I am grateful for that guidance, Madam Deputy Speaker. Let me give a brief response to my hon. Friend the Member for Stafford (Jeremy Lefroy): I would argue that it is all of the above, as well as the right to change one’s religion or belief.

In summary, the UK Government...

Member
Mark Simmonds (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2013
Reference
571 c851
House
House of Commons