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I beg to move,

That this House has considered the e-petition relating to the Millie’s Trust campaign to train all nursery nurses in paediatric first aid.

Mr Chope, it is a great pleasure to conduct this debate under your chairmanship. It is a sombre subject that we are addressing this afternoon, and...

Member
Mark Hunter (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 December 2014
Reference
589 c430WH
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for securing this debate, and I am particularly grateful to the family, who are with us today. However, it is almost amazing that this requirement is not already law and on the statute books. The fact that there so many Members here from...

Member
Robert Flello (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 December 2014
Reference
589 c430WH
House
House of Commons

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his contribution and I could not agree with him more. I am delighted that so many hon. Members from across the spectrum in the House of Commons have been able to find time to be here today, when I know that—as ever in this...

Member
Mark Hunter (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 December 2014
Reference
589 cc430-408WH
House
House of Commons

The hon. Gentleman is making a very moving case. Does he agree that it is surprising, bearing in mind all the other requirements and regulation around child care, that this requirement is not just part and parcel of it? As my hon. Friend the Member for Stoke-on-Trent South (Robert Flello)...

Member
Mark Tami (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 December 2014
Reference
589 c408WH
House
House of Commons

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his contribution and, yes, I totally agree. As the previous intervention by the hon. Member for Stoke-on-Trent South (Robert Flello) also suggested, most parents—I am a parent myself, although my children are now grown up—would assume when they are taking their children to a...

Member
Mark Hunter (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 December 2014
Reference
589 c408WH
House
House of Commons

I used to chair the Children, Schools and Families Committee and I remember pushing Ofsted on this issue; I also represent Huddersfield where the National Day Nurseries Association is based. This case has been a wake-up call to everyone that paediatric care in an emergency is totally different from first...

Member
Barry Sheerman (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 December 2014
Reference
589 c408WH
House
House of Commons

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention. Again, I could not agree more. I think that everybody, once they have focused on the issue, starts to appreciate that there is a significant difference between having a general qualification in first aid and having a qualification in paediatric first aid,...

Member
Mark Hunter (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 December 2014
Reference
589 cc408-9WH
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way, and of course he is right to highlight these issues here in the Palace of Westminster today. However, this tragic incident not only highlights the failures in the nursery system—that is, the lack of paediatric first aid training—but the fact...

Member
Andrew Gwynne (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 December 2014
Reference
589 c409WH
House
House of Commons

Again, I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention and he is absolutely right. I will come on to the point about how the North West Ambulance Service has responded to this case in the positive way that he has indicated.

On the day in question, Millie was being fed by...

Member
Mark Hunter (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 December 2014
Reference
589 cc409-410WH
House
House of Commons

We are all moved by the hon. Gentleman’s description of what has happened, and impressed that he has put on the record exactly what should be done. I am the grandfather of a seven-year-old child, and we all go through these agonies about what we would do. Has he made...

Member
Alistair Burt (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 December 2014
Reference
589 c410WH
House
House of Commons

I welcome the right hon. Gentleman’s intervention. The Millie’s Trust campaign has done an awful lot of work in this regard and is satisfied, I think, as most hon. Members who have considered the issue would be, that this can be done at no great cost. We hope that the...

Member
Mark Hunter (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 December 2014
Reference
589 c410WH
House
House of Commons

I congratulate the hon. Gentleman on securing this very important debate and congratulate Millie’s Trust on its campaigning work

on this issue. Was any member of staff on the premises that day trained in paediatric first aid? If there was, what happened?

Member
Ann Coffey (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 December 2014
Reference
589 c410WH
House
House of Commons

Yes, there was. I mentioned just a few moments ago that, of the two paediatric first-aiders who were at the school at the time, one chose not to be involved, by going to look after the other children in the nursery, while the second member of staff with a qualification...

Member
Mark Hunter (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 December 2014
Reference
589 c411WH
House
House of Commons

Would not the member of staff trained in paediatric first aid have appreciated the seriousness of the situation?

Member
Ann Coffey (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 December 2014
Reference
589 c411WH
House
House of Commons

The only answer I can give is that one would like to think so. I think any parent would have assumed that to be the case. However, I will come on to that and to what the coroner said in this regard as well.

Member
Mark Hunter (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 December 2014
Reference
589 c411WH
House
House of Commons

I commend my hon. Friend for bringing this debate to the Chamber. It is a truly tragic story. Does he agree that, although this is always a serious issue, as more couples go back to work and ever more people are using child care, the gravity of this situation increases?...

Member
Andrew Bingham (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 December 2014
Reference
589 c411WH
House
House of Commons

I could not agree more. That is one reason why it is long overdue for the Government to take this issue seriously and why they should make provision for a change in the regulations that will require this to happen in future. Hon. Members will be shocked to hear that...

Member
Mark Hunter (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 December 2014
Reference
589 c411WH
House
House of Commons

I was a divisional surgeon with St John Ambulance and I also lectured in emergency medicine. The hon. Gentleman makes a good, specific case about what happens in nurseries, but very many more people are parents than nursery workers. Does it not seem absurd that, at the beginning of the...

Member
Liam Fox (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 December 2014
Reference
589 c411WH
House
House of Commons

The right hon. Gentleman makes a pertinent point. In fact, Millie’s Trust—the legacy set up in the child’s memory—provides paediatric first aid training free of charge to interested parents. As hon. Members can imagine, a great number of interested parents have been stepping up, wanting to take advantage of that....

Member
Mark Hunter (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 December 2014
Reference
589 c411WH
House
House of Commons

I congratulate my hon. Friend on securing this important debate, and congratulate Millie’s Trust on highlighting awareness of this issue. I met a member of the family at Little Blossoms nursery in Barrowford in my constituency at a fund-raiser for Millie’s Trust. I echo what my right hon. Friend the...

Member
Andrew Stephenson (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 December 2014
Reference
589 c412WH
House
House of Commons