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Lords motion to approve. Amendment to regret agreed to on division (165 to 86). Original motion, as amended, agreed to on question.

Lead member
Lord Sharpe of Epsom
Answering member
Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede
Department
Home Office
Type
Debates on delegated legislation
Notes
Debated with motion to approve the Immigration (Age Assessments) Regulations 2023.
Date
27 November 2023
Reference
834 cc960-983
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for attending this debate. The first of these instruments, the Justification Decision (Scientific Age Imaging) Regulations 2023, sets out the affirmative decision made by the Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice on the Home Office’s application to use ionising radiation, also...

Member
Lord Sharpe of Epsom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 November 2023
Reference
834 cc960-3
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Baroness Brinton

Member
Baroness Brinton (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 November 2023
Reference
834 c963
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I have laid a regret amendment to both the Motion on the Justification Decision (Scientific Age Imaging) Regulations and the Motion on the Immigration (Age Assessment) Regulations. I did not do this lightly but believe that the Government are contradicting themselves in moving ahead with legislation that medical...

Member
Baroness Brinton (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 November 2023
Reference
834 cc963-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am most grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, for tabling her regret Motion, which sets out so well why these regulations should be withdrawn. Having challenged the proposals to use X-rays in the sensitive matter of

age assessment in both recent immigration Bills in the early...

Member
Baroness Lister of Burtersett (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 November 2023
Reference
834 cc965-8
House
House of Lords

I know the convention of the House is that I should say it is a pleasure to follow two such brilliant speeches from the noble Baronesses, Lady Brinton and Lady Lister, but it is not actually a pleasure—it is intimidating; one fears the contrast. Mine will be an amateur contribution...

Member
Lord Kerr of Kinlochard (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 November 2023
Reference
834 cc967-970
House
House of Lords

My Lords, in strong support of the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, and the others who have already spoken in this debate, I would argue that this is primarily a matter of science. On the idea that this is a scientific assessment, it is not. We are using instruments developed by...

Member
Lord Winston (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 November 2023
Reference
834 cc969-971
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I follow all the previous speakers, including that consummate professional, the noble Lord, Lord Kerr of Kinlochard. I have some similar questions for the Minister. I will try to edit as I go so as not to be too repetitive.

I started by wondering whether the Home Office could...

Member
Baroness Hamwee (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 November 2023
Reference
834 cc971-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I promise that I will be brief. I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, for moving this regret amendment and thank all those who have spoken so far and so well. I thank the noble Lord, Lord Winston, for pointing out that this is not science; it is...

Member
Bishop of London (Bishops (affiliation))
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 November 2023
Reference
834 c974
House
House of Lords

My Lords—

Member
Lord Scriven (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 November 2023
Reference
834 c974
House
House of Lords

Minister!

Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 November 2023
Reference
834 c974
House
House of Lords

My Lords—

Member
Lord Harris of Haringey (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 November 2023
Reference
834 c974
House
House of Lords

Oh!

Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 November 2023
Reference
834 c974
House
House of Lords

My Lords, as the Minister has not risen, I first declare my interest as the chair of the General Dental Council. I want to make two very brief points, which I do not think have been addressed by the discussion so far. First, the question has to be answered on...

Member
Lord Harris of Haringey (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 November 2023
Reference
834 c974
House
House of Lords

Radiologists.

Member
Lord Winston (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 November 2023
Reference
834 c975
House
House of Lords

Radiologists should be properly registered. Will that be carried out by people who are professionally registered? If they are professionally registered, are they carrying this out as part of their profession or as an agent of the Home Office? If they are carrying it out on behalf of somebody else,...

Member
Lord Harris of Haringey (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 November 2023
Reference
834 c975
House
House of Lords

Front Bench.

Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 November 2023
Reference
834 c975
House
House of Lords

I will raise one point which has not been raised. This Chamber should not be legislating when legislation is not required, and the Government have not set out what the problem is and what the statutory instrument will solve. The Minister was very clear in describing the number of unaccompanied...

Member
Lord Scriven (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 November 2023
Reference
834 c975
House
House of Lords

My Lords, some things have been spoken of in this debate, but what is absolutely clear is that in every element the Government have provided more and more uncertainty. We have before

us a set of regulations which are clearly down to a Government seeing themselves in a hurry to...

Member
Lord German (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 November 2023
Reference
834 cc975-6
House
House of Lords

Perhaps the noble Lord can explain why scientific methods are used to assess age in, among other countries, Sweden, Norway, Finland, France, Germany and the Netherlands.

Member
Lord Murray of Blidworth (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 November 2023
Reference
834 c976
House
House of Lords