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Lords committee stage second day. Clauses 29 to 41 agreed to. Schedule 2 agreed to. Clauses 42 to 45 agreed to. Clause 46, as amended, agreed to. Clause 47 agreed to. Clauses 13 to 15 agreed to.

Lead member
Lord Hendy of Richmond Hill; Lord Khan of Burnley
Answering member
Lord Roborough; Lord Jamieson; Lord Moylan
Department
Department for Transport; Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government
Type
Debates on bills; Committee of the Whole House (HL)
Notes
Scottish and Welsh legislative consent sought.
Date
24 July 2025
Reference
848 cc409-508
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Lucas

50: After Clause 12, insert the following new Clause—

“Livestock markets and abattoirs

The Secretary of State must, on the day on which this Act is passed, set in train the creation of a national policy statement under section 5 of the Planning Act 2008 (national policy statements) covering the...

Member
Lord Lucas (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 July 2025
Reference
848 c409
House
House of Lords

My Lords, looking at livestock markets and abattoirs as critical national infrastructure would enable a coherent response to a set of problems that have been building up for many years. In the 1970s, the UK had around 2,500 abattoirs. By 2024, it had dropped to fewer than 200. That has...

Member
Lord Lucas (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 July 2025
Reference
848 cc410-1
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I support my noble friend Lord Lucas. In another place I represented Northampton, and when I was first elected in February 1974 it had a very active market and abattoir, not on the outskirts but on the fringes, I suppose. That has been gone now for the best...

Member
Lord Naseby (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 July 2025
Reference
848 c411
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am very pleased to support the amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Lucas. My interest in animal welfare and good-quality meat comes from the south-west and talking over many years with the butchers who supply good meat. The two problems which noble Lords have...

Member
Lord Berkeley (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 July 2025
Reference
848 cc411-2
House
House of Lords

My Lords, there are 100 million animals killed for meat in the UK every month, which is quite a statistic. There are 75,000 people who work in abattoirs and associated institutions. The amendment from the noble Lord, Lord, Lucas, raises an important issue. Whether this is the right way to...

Member
Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle (Green Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 July 2025
Reference
848 c412
House
House of Lords

My Lords, these Benches support the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, and thank him for raising this. We also thank him for tabling this amendment in good time so that this Committee could consider it.

This amendment seeks to designate livestock markets and abattoirs as critical national infrastructure....

Member
Baroness Grender (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 July 2025
Reference
848 cc412-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I also support Amendment 50 in the name of my noble friend Lord Lucas, which would recognise livestock markets and abattoirs as critical national infrastructure. I draw the Committee’s attention to my register of interests, in particular as a dairy and livestock farmer. This amendment, if passed, would...

Member
Lord Roborough (Conservative; Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 July 2025
Reference
848 cc414-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, Amendment 50 tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, seeks to create a national policy statement for livestock markets and abattoirs.

The Government are committed to a resilient food supply chain. A thriving abattoir network is vital to this, providing a competitive route to market for producers, including those...

Member
Lord Khan of Burnley (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 July 2025
Reference
848 cc415-6
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am very grateful to everybody who spoke on this amendment. The noble Baroness, Lady Bennett, gave me hope for a moment when she said that the average age of a slaughterman was 63. I am thinking through what to do after I leave this place; unfortunately, there...

Member
Lord Lucas (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 July 2025
Reference
848 c416
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath

51: After Clause 12, insert the following new Clause—

“Carbon capture and storage

(1) The Planning Act 2008 is amended as follows.

(2) In section 14(1), after paragraph (q) insert—

“(r) carbon dioxide spur pipelines;

(s) carbon capture equipment.”

(3) After section 21 insert—

“21A Carbon capture and storage

(1) The construction of...

Member
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 July 2025
Reference
848 cc416-7
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 91. My noble friend Lady Liddell is not able to be with us today, so I have taken on the mantle of championing carbon capture, usage and storage. Seeing the noble Lord, Lord Naseby, in his place, I hasten to add that...

Member
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 July 2025
Reference
848 cc417-8
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I rise to support the principle of what the noble Lord is suggesting, but with a “but”, which I hope the Minister will give some careful thought to across the summer before we come back to debates in the autumn. The noble Lord, Lord Hunt, is absolutely right...

Member
Lord Grayling (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 July 2025
Reference
848 cc418-9
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I rise to speak to both amendments tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Hunt. On these Benches, we broadly support Amendment 51 and we support Amendment 91. Amendment 51 seeks to amend the Planning Act 2008 to clarify that carbon dioxide spur pipelines and carbon capture equipment are...

Member
Earl Russell (Liberal Democrat; Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 July 2025
Reference
848 cc419-420
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I support this amendment. We cannot emphasise too strongly the importance of moving forward in this vital area. There has been discussion before, under the previous Government. Some questions have already been raised on the Floor this afternoon. The longer we delay, the more difficult life becomes. Carbon...

Member
Lord Naseby (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 July 2025
Reference
848 c420
House
House of Lords

My Lords, we welcome the sentiment behind the amendments proposed by the noble Lord, Lord Hunt of King’s Heath. It is clear that, if we are to meet our net-zero targets, there is a need for long-term sustainable technologies such as carbon capture and storage. They must be part of...

Member
Lord Jamieson (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 July 2025
Reference
848 c420
House
House of Lords

Grayling?

Member
Baroness Pinnock (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 July 2025
Reference
848 c420
House
House of Lords

Grayling. As was pointed out earlier, it has been 184 days. Some of us are just getting a little tired. Like my noble friend, I must also offer a note of caution and a bit of a “but”.

Although CCS is a promising technology, it is not without its challenges. It...

Member
Lord Jamieson (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 July 2025
Reference
848 cc420-1
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Hunt of King’s Heath for tabling these amendments, which relate to carbon capture and storage designation. Amendment 51 would amend the Planning Act 2008 to enable the designation of

“carbon dioxide spur pipelines and carbon capture equipment … as Nationally Significant Infrastructure Projects”.

As...

Member
Lord Khan of Burnley (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 July 2025
Reference
848 cc421-2
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have taken part. I thought the intervention from the noble Lord, Lord Grayling, was very interesting. I very much take his point about the precautionary principle. A degree of proportionality is required by our regulators in the way they operate....

Member
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 July 2025
Reference
848 cc422-3
House
House of Lords