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Lords debate on motion to take note of the report of the Joint Committee on the draft Enhanced Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill. (HL 70 2012-13). Agreed to on question.

Lead member
Lord Plant of Highfield
Answering member
Lord Taylor of Holbeach
Department
Home Office; Joint Committee on the Draft Enhanced Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill
Type
Debates on select committee reports
Date
23 April 2013
Reference
744 cc349-365GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I add my thanks to the Joint Committee for its report on the draft Enhanced Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill and express my thanks for the comprehensive and informative speech introducing the report from my noble friend Lord Plant of Highfield.

In a nutshell, the coalition Government decided...

Member
Lord Rosser (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 April 2013
Reference
744 cc355-9GC
House
House of Lords

If the Minister is about to close, is he able to address the question that I asked about what happens to those who are on TPIMs at present? I understand that at least some, if not all, TPIMs will come to an end at the beginning of next year. What...

Member
Lord Rosser (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 April 2013
Reference
744 c363GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will conclude this interesting if intimate debate by thanking the noble Lord, Lord Plant, for introducing it. The way in which he did so informed the Committee of the background in a very thorough fashion. In some ways, that makes it easier for me to demonstrate the...

Member
Lord Taylor of Holbeach (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 April 2013
Reference
744 cc357-363GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I think it has fallen to me, as the longest serving Peer on the Joint Committee, to introduce its report on the ETPIMs Bill. This creates the final part of the architecture of the arrangements to replace control orders. We need only look around today to see that...

Member
Lord Plant of Highfield (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 April 2013
Reference
744 cc349-354GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, as a member of the Joint Committee that considered the draft ETPIMs Bill, I seek clarification from the Government on three points. The first is emergency legislation. The committee considered the draft Bill in the context of recently enacted TPIMs legislation and accepted it to be a positive...

Member
Baroness Doocey (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 April 2013
Reference
744 cc354-5GC
House
House of Lords

I think that I can answer the noble Lord best by saying that all cases are reviewed properly. I gave a description in response to my noble friend Lady Doocey’s question about the disengagement of subjects from a TPIM order. The future conduct of individuals who have been subject to...

Member
Lord Taylor of Holbeach (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 April 2013
Reference
744 c363GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will not detain colleagues for more than a minute or two, but there are one or two issues that I would like to leave in colleagues’ minds. I was grateful for the Minister’s speech. However, perhaps it is my suspicious mind but I thought that his response...

Member
Lord Plant of Highfield (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 April 2013
Reference
744 c363GC
House
House of Lords

I think that I made it clear that it is up to the police to make that judgment and that they would do so on the grounds of national security. There may of course be some elements of the

TPIM that might well be most effectively done by a contractor...

Member
Lord Taylor of Holbeach (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 April 2013
Reference
744 c363GC
House
House of Lords

I thank the noble Lord for that clarification. I am not sure that I am entirely reassured, but at least I now know exactly what he meant.

The Minister spoke eloquently and correctly about the role of the CPS and the police in deciding whether or not to prosecute. The response...

Member
Lord Plant of Highfield (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 April 2013
Reference
744 c364GC
House
House of Lords

All I can say is that it is obviously for the Government to decide to whether it would be in the public interest to present that evidence within a prosecution. That could influence the decision of the Crown Prosecution Service on whether or not to pursue a prosecution. As noble...

Member
Lord Taylor of Holbeach (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 April 2013
Reference
744 c364GC
House
House of Lords

I thank the noble Lord for that, because I thought that it was a rather bald statement and I just did not think that it could be true concerning the role of the Government in abrogating a judgment about what disclosures were in the national interest to the CPS and/or...

Member
Lord Plant of Highfield (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 April 2013
Reference
744 cc364-5GC
House
House of Lords