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Statement on the publication of the Joint Report of the Health and Social Care Committee and the Housing, Communities and Local Government Committee, Long-term funding of adult social care, HC 768.

Lead member
Clive Betts
Answering member
Caroline Dinenage
Department
Department of Health and Social Care; Health and Social Care Committee; Housing, Communities and Local Government Committee
Type
Select Committee statements
Date
28 June 2018
Reference
643 cc1064-1072
House
House of Commons

I begin by thanking the Backbench Business Committee for allocating time today for me to present the Housing, Communities and Local Government Committee and Health and Social Care Committee joint report on long-term funding of adult social care.

In 2017, the then Communities and Local Government Committee undertook a lengthy inquiry...

Member
Clive Betts (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2018
Reference
643 cc1071-1067
House
House of Commons

I thank my co-Chair for the dedicated work that he has put into this joint report, as well as all members of both Committees and our wonderful supporting Committee teams. Like him,

I thank not only all those who took part in the citizens’ assembly and those who advised and...

Member
Sarah Wollaston (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2018
Reference
643 cc1067-8
House
House of Commons

I thank the hon. Lady, the Chair of the Health Committee—I think on this occasion, my hon. Friend, because we have worked on a friendly basis on this inquiry. She is absolutely right. One of the important recommendations is about trying to extend the scope of care provision to include...

Member
Clive Betts (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2018
Reference
643 c1068
House
House of Commons

I thank the Chairs and the members of the Select Committees for their work on the report, and my hon. Friend the Member for Sheffield South East (Mr Betts) for his statement introducing it. The key points from the report for me are that in its present state the care...

Member
Baroness Keeley (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2018
Reference
643 c1068
House
House of Commons

Yes, I completely agree with that. We have got to get on with it. If we agreed everything now, it would probably take two or three years to put it in place. That is why we suggested the stop-gap measure of the extra business rates in 2020 being made available...

Member
Clive Betts (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2018
Reference
643 c1068
House
House of Commons

I, too, pay tribute to the hon. Member for Sheffield South East (Mr Betts) for the way he chaired the Committee;

it was very collegiate and consensual, which really helped us in our deliberations. He may remember that when we visited a care home the residents and families of those...

Member
Andrew Selous (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2018
Reference
643 c1068
House
House of Commons

I completely agree. If we are still talking about this in two or three years’ time we will have failed. We have to get some decisions and get on with it. As politicians, we are often very good at coming up with ways to spend money. In this report we...

Member
Clive Betts (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2018
Reference
643 c1069
House
House of Commons

I, too, welcome this cross-Committee report and note that it aspires to provide free personal care, as we have in Scotland, and to extend it to those in need under 65, which we will start next April. While that has significant costs, does the hon. Gentleman agree with the assessment...

Member
Philippa Whitford (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2018
Reference
643 c1069
House
House of Commons

I saw the King’s Fund report and I have seen the analysis. That was an aspiration eventually. However, the Select Committees’ felt that the immediate pressures of the funding gap, which will grow if we do not do anything about it—because of the demographics over the next few years, the...

Member
Clive Betts (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2018
Reference
643 c1069
House
House of Commons

I congratulate the hon. Gentleman on his statement, and both Select Committees on their report. He said that if everyone contributes something, we should be able to sort out the funding problem. He put great emphasis on the need for a social care premium and praised the German model. In...

Member
Philip Hollobone (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2018
Reference
643 c1069
House
House of Commons

It is a difficult decision. Germany does not exempt people under 40, but there are other tweaks to the system. For example, people without children pay extra and people who are not working pay extra in

retirement because they do not have an employer contribution. We have not just mirrored...

Member
Clive Betts (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2018
Reference
643 c1069
House
House of Commons

Is it not remarkable, given the failure of successive Governments to grasp this nettle, that two cross-party Committees with Members holding widely different views and ideologies managed to agree a unanimous report? Does that not make it even more incumbent on the Government, given the acuteness of the crisis, to...

Member
Ben Bradshaw (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2018
Reference
643 c1070
House
House of Commons

I completely agree with my right hon. Friend. The fundamental question is: if we can do it, why can’t they? We have done the difficult part. We have set out a framework. Those on the Government Front Bench may not want to accept every detailed element of it, but it...

Member
Clive Betts (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2018
Reference
643 c1070
House
House of Commons

I thank both Chairs for the very constructive nature of the inquiry and the discussions around it, which have led to the report. We need to depoliticise this issue—that is critical—and I believe we have done that in the report. Does the hon. Gentleman agree that one of the most...

Member
Kevin Hollinrake (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2018
Reference
643 c1070
House
House of Commons

Yes, I completely agree. I could not refer to every specific recommendation in my statement. The hon. Gentleman is referring to paragraph 78 of the report, where it states that instead of care being delivered to people, they could receive a cash payment so their family members could do it...

Member
Clive Betts (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2018
Reference
643 c1070
House
House of Commons

I congratulate my hon. Friend on the report and on the work of the Committee to deal with this very difficult subject. In my constituency, we have a problem with nursing care homes closing and being converted into residential care homes, because of a problem with recruitment and retention of...

Member
Liz McInnes (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2018
Reference
643 c1070
House
House of Commons

It is about getting a well-paid, well-trained workforce. NHS staff who do a similar job get paid about 29% more. I am not saying they are well paid, but clearly social care staff are not well paid. That funding gap has to be addressed and people have to be properly...

Member
Clive Betts (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2018
Reference
643 c1071
House
House of Commons

I congratulate my hon. Friend and the hon. Member for Totnes (Dr Wollaston) on their leadership on this issue. The inquiry’s report provides incontrovertible evidence of the crisis facing social care funding. I particularly welcome the recommendation that social care should be provided to those who need it free at...

Member
Helen Hayes (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2018
Reference
643 c1071
House
House of Commons

Absolutely. Most people receive care in their own home. The Committee’s report into housing for older people looked at the nature of the home. It showed the importance of the warmth of the home and the ability to get around the home—trip hazards and so on. Means-testing for the disability...

Member
Clive Betts (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2018
Reference
643 c1071
House
House of Commons