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This Paper examines the progress of the Bill during its House of Commons Committee Stage. Further detail on the Bill is available in Research Paper 11/17, prepared for the Second Reading of the Bill.

Type
Commons Briefing papers
Date
11 May 2011
Reference
RP11-39

I am not quite sure how we get from my hon. Friend's Bill to the legislative programme that she is suggesting. Is the idea that this would be done exclusively through the Standing Orders of this House, and that we would therefore change the structures of the passing of legislation...

Member
Jacob Rees-Mogg (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 February 2011
Reference
523 c604
House
House of Commons

Does my right hon. and learned Friend agree that we have institutionalised a sense of resentment and unfairness by not giving greater fiscal autonomy and tax-raising powers to the devolved Governments? That sense of unfairness does not exist in other devolved systems, such as the federal system in the United...

Member
Lord Jackson of Peterborough (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 February 2011
Reference
523 c607
House
House of Commons

Is the hon. Gentleman seriously suggesting that, with constituencies in Scotland and Wales having significantly smaller electorates than those in England, list system Members, devolved Parliament Members and MPs, such MPs have the same work loads as English constituency Members? If so, does he have any academic evidence to support...

Member
Lord Jackson of Peterborough (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 February 2011
Reference
523 c612
House
House of Commons

That is an extremely important question. Mr Speaker has the ability, under Standing Order No. 97, to certify whether a particular piece of legislation applies only to Scotland. He already has the powers, and it will be extremely interesting today, during the debate on this legislation, to discuss whether those...

Member
Harriett Baldwin (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 February 2011
Reference
523 c599-600
House
House of Commons

I congratulate my hon. Friend on introducing this Bill. She describes the issue as complex. Does she understand why it is so complex that the Government have not even been able to set up a commission to look into it? Surely, that should not be beyond the capability of the...

Member
Christopher Chope (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 February 2011
Reference
523 c600-1
House
House of Commons

Does my hon. Friend not agree that at least that solution would appear to be fair? Many voters in this country would see it as the fair solution: if a particular piece of legislation did not affect their area, Members should not be able to vote on it.

Member
Andrea Leadsom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 February 2011
Reference
523 c602
House
House of Commons

A clear example is to be found in the explanatory notes to the next Bill that we will consider. In relation to the territorial extent and application, the notes state:"““The Bill extends to (that is, forms part of the law of) England and Wales. The terms of clause 1, however,...

Member
Chris Bryant (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 February 2011
Reference
523 c640
House
House of Commons

Such declarations do not specify whether a Bill is exclusively English, Welsh or Northern Irish, or applies to all four territories or just two—or whatever. There has not been a problem thus far, and that is why I do not think there is any reason to make changes through legislation....

Member
Chris Bryant (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 February 2011
Reference
523 c619
House
House of Commons

The previous Government may well have had the majority of seats in England, but they did not have the majority of the votes.

Member
Andrew Bridgen (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 February 2011
Reference
523 c624
House
House of Commons

Surely this is all about fairness for constituents who have a Member of Parliament. It is also about a Member of Parliament's right to represent their constituents. I agree with the hon. Member for Rhondda (Chris Bryant) that it will be difficult to sort out the problem. As we have...

Member
Bob Stewart (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 February 2011
Reference
523 c625
House
House of Commons

I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for West Worcestershire (Harriett Baldwin) on presenting the Bill. The contributions so far have shown"““what a tangled web we weave””." I support devolution as far as it has gone, but I am a great supporter of the Union. That is why my hon....

Member
Martin Vickers (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 February 2011
Reference
523 c626
House
House of Commons

I thank my hon. Friend for indulging me. I wonder whether she would be willing to listen to my perhaps more simple solution to the West Lothian question, which is indeed a boil that needs lancing. If we got rid of Members of the Scottish Parliament and Members of the...

Member
Andrew Bridgen (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 February 2011
Reference
523 c603
House
House of Commons

I welcome the contribution of the hon. Member for West Worcestershire (Harriett Baldwin), who has not been in the House long and yet already has managed to grasp firmly with both hands the nettle of one of the more complicated constitutional matters that has faced the country, I would say,...

Member
Chris Bryant (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 February 2011
Reference
523 c611
House
House of Commons

That was going to be my last sentence, but I will allow the hon. Gentleman to intervene.

Member
Chris Bryant (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 February 2011
Reference
523 c619
House
House of Commons

As I have said, legislation is about not just what it does, but the declaratory effect that it has. The hon. Lady referred to the intended consequences of her Bill, but it would also have unintended consequences. As her colleague, the hon. Member for South Northamptonshire (Andrea Leadsom), has already...

Member
Chris Bryant (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 February 2011
Reference
523 c618-9
House
House of Commons

Let me reiterate once again that none of the concerns the hon. Gentleman is raising apply to the Bill.

Member
Harriett Baldwin (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 February 2011
Reference
523 c618
House
House of Commons

Well, not all 37 shires had representation, and they certainly did not have that as of right. I am perfectly happy to debate this at another time, but for now Mr Speaker has got that slightly fascinated but also slightly irritated face on. It would be very dangerous to dismantle...

Member
Chris Bryant (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 February 2011
Reference
523 c618
House
House of Commons

The knights of the shires came much earlier than that—they come from the reign of Richard I. That is attested thoroughly.

Member
Jacob Rees-Mogg (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 February 2011
Reference
523 c618
House
House of Commons

Simon de Montfort invited four knights from each of the shires and six from Yorkshire in 1258 to present in Parliament their grievances on behalf of others. We do not know that all the knights attended. Of the ones who did attend, we only know that because they presented expenses...

Member
Chris Bryant (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 February 2011
Reference
523 c618
House
House of Commons