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Queen's speech debate (fifth day) on the National Health Service. (Part 1 of 2).

Lead member
Jonathan Ashworth
Answering member
Matt Hancock
Department
Department of Health and Social Care
Type
Queen's speech debates
Date
23 October 2019
Reference
666 cc990-1015
House
House of Commons

Queen's speech debate (fifth day), on the National Health Service. Closure motion. Agreed to on question. Amendment negatived on division (282 to 310). (Part 2 of 2).

Lead member
Philippa Whitford
Answering member
Edward Argar
Department
Department of Health and Social Care
Type
Queen's speech debates
Date
23 October 2019
Reference
666 cc1016-1080
House
House of Commons

We are absolutely acting on the area that the hon. Lady quite rightly raises. The number of patients who are in in-patient facilities who have learning disabilities and/or autism has been falling—the number has fallen from 2,700 a couple of years ago to 2,250 on the latest figures. We have...

Member
Matt Hancock (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 October 2019
Reference
666 c1014
House
House of Commons

rose—

Member
Baroness Berger (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 October 2019
Reference
666 c1014
House
House of Commons

I thank the Secretary of State for very kindly giving way, and I welcome the fact that he will be taking forward into legislation the recommendations of the independent review into the Mental Health Act. Will that be accompanied by Sir Simon Wessely’s recommendation that the sector needs £800 million...

Member
Baroness Berger (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 October 2019
Reference
666 c1014
House
House of Commons

I want to pay tribute to the work that Sir Simon has done in bringing this matter forward. We are absolutely looking at the capital requirements, as well as the requirements for revenue funding, which have gone up in this area. We will be publishing a White Paper by the...

Member
Matt Hancock (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 October 2019
Reference
666 c1014
House
House of Commons

Before I start my speech, I would like to factually correct the Secretary of State, who claimed that Barnett consequentials in Scotland are not passed on. I reassure him they are all passed on. He talks about the figures as a percentage. Scotland spends £185 a head more on healthcare...

Member
Philippa Whitford (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 October 2019
Reference
666 c1017
House
House of Commons

It is in the other place at the moment.

Member
Matt Hancock (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 October 2019
Reference
666 c1017
House
House of Commons

Okay; I welcome that. However, I would suggest that the Healthcare Safety Investigations Bill is about looking at mistakes after they have happened. I invite the Secretary of State again to look at the Scottish patient safety programme, which is more than 10 years old and has reduced hospital deaths,...

Member
Philippa Whitford (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 October 2019
Reference
666 c1017
House
House of Commons

The hon. Lady is making a perfect point. I had the honour of being the roads Minister, and I desperately asked my officials to look at the PFI contracts on motorways around the country, including the M25. They found that the cost of coming out of these contracts is so...

Member
Mike Penning (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 October 2019
Reference
666 c1017
House
House of Commons

I thank the right hon. Gentleman for that point. Of course, Governments can borrow at a much lower interest rate than any private business. Money is being sucked out of the NHS through the PFI across the UK, but there are also other ways in which money is being sucked...

Member
Philippa Whitford (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 October 2019
Reference
666 c1018
House
House of Commons

I agree with almost everything the hon. Lady says about PFI contracts. We got a terrible PFI contract in Halifax and Calderdale. It is still a millstone around our necks. When I chaired the Education and Skills Committee, we looked at PFI contracts. The fact is that they are financial...

Member
Barry Sheerman (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 October 2019
Reference
666 c1018
House
House of Commons

That is true, and this obviously applies to the process of bidding and tendering for delivering services. An NHS orthopaedic department will not be able to compete with a major multinational with regards to its bid team, its tendering team and its ability to put in loss leaders. The problem...

Member
Philippa Whitford (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 October 2019
Reference
666 c1018
House
House of Commons

The right hon. Member for Hemel Hempstead (Sir Mike Penning) mentioned the Barking, Havering and Redbridge University Hospitals NHS Trust in Romford. Queen’s Hospital in Romford is part of that trust, as is King George Hospital in my constituency. There is an independent treatment centre on the site of King...

Member
Mike Gapes (The Independent Group for Change)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 October 2019
Reference
666 c1018
House
House of Commons

Well, I am afraid that it was the Labour party that set up independent treatment centres. I am a surgeon, and one of the issues was that such centres were sucking away the routine elective work that contributes

to training future surgeons, and leaving the NHS to deal with the...

Member
Philippa Whitford (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 October 2019
Reference
666 cc1018-9
House
House of Commons

I value the hon. Lady’s comments about how money is being sucked out of the NHS. In Scotland, we have a particular issue with a large showpiece hospital in Edinburgh that should have been opened in 2012, seven years ago, that is sucking money from the NHS—millions of pounds annually...

Member
Bill Grant (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 October 2019
Reference
666 c1019
House
House of Commons

Well, it has not been sucking money for the past six or seven years because it was only declared open in February. I totally agree that it is a huge setback that, due to a failure within the health board’s tendering process for the build, it did not recognise the...

Member
Philippa Whitford (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 October 2019
Reference
666 cc1019-1020
House
House of Commons

Will the hon. Lady give way?

Member
Tom Tugendhat (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 October 2019
Reference
666 c1020
House
House of Commons

Okay, for the last time.

Member
Philippa Whitford (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 October 2019
Reference
666 c1020
House
House of Commons

The hon. Lady is speaking very powerfully on many issues, as usual. I would be interested in her point of view on other health providers, because as she knows, having worked around the world, many of them do things differently, particularly around Europe, for example, where many of the hospitals...

Member
Tom Tugendhat (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 October 2019
Reference
666 c1020
House
House of Commons