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My Lords, I start by thanking Professor Simon Wessely for his independent review of the Mental Health Act 1983, an outdated piece of legislation that far too often has facilitated the inexcusable treatment of those with mental health problems.

Yesterday, the Secretary of State for Health said that the report made...

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Baroness Merron (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2022
Reference
823 cc563-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, from these Benches we would also like to thank Sir Simon Wessely for his report. We welcome reform to the outdated Mental Health Act and we are pleased to see that the Wessely review is finally being implemented by the Government, even if they are not accepting all...

Member
Baroness Brinton (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2022
Reference
823 cc564-5
House
House of Lords

I thank the noble Baronesses for their very detailed questions. I will write if I do not cover all the questions.

We want pre-legislative scrutiny to commence at the earliest opportunity, and I understand that this is being discussed by the usual channels. The hope is to appoint the committee if...

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Lord Kamall (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2022
Reference
823 cc566-7
House
House of Lords

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Merron, talked about patients being detained for too long, particularly those who

have been sectioned. My right honourable friend Jeremy Hunt MP, down the other end, talked yesterday about how it would be good to put something in the Bill to say that those...

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Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2022
Reference
823 c567
House
House of Lords

I thank my noble friend for the question and for raising this issue. I am aware that my right honourable friend the Secretary of State intends to meet Jeremy Hunt to discuss this in more detail. In my first week, or first fortnight, as Minister, one of the debates I...

Member
Lord Kamall (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2022
Reference
823 c568
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I admire the enthusiasm for speed that the Minister expressed earlier from the Dispatch Box. Can he say whether that rules out having detailed pre-legislative scrutiny? This Bill should have no political elements to it at all, except possibly the cost, but all the other issues should be...

Member
Lord Judge (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2022
Reference
823 c568
House
House of Lords

The noble and learned Lord makes an important point. I am very much aware of today’s earlier discussion, when I was smiling, perhaps over-smugly, thinking, “At least we’ve got pre-legislative scrutiny.” However, I accept the noble and learned Lord’s point that it has to be proper pre-legislative scrutiny. I hope...

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Lord Kamall (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2022
Reference
823 c568
House
House of Lords

We thank the Minister for the draft Bill. Although it is on the law of mental health, it has clear financial implications and so a specific commitment to provide the resources to implement the changes in the law would be valued. In addition, however, given the agreement that there is...

Member
Lord Davies of Brixton (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2022
Reference
823 cc568-9
House
House of Lords

The noble Lord makes an incredibly important point. We have seen the impact that the pandemic has had on mental health across all age groups. During the Health and Care Bill, the noble Lord and many others raised the issue of parity between mental health and physical health, and I...

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Lord Kamall (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2022
Reference
823 c569
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I welcome many of the proposals contained in the draft Bill, particularly those that give people affected by the Bill more say over their treatment and care. However, as others have said, the Bill is currently worryingly silent on workforce issues, and I think we all agree that...

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Baroness Tyler of Enfield (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2022
Reference
823 c569
House
House of Lords

When I was having initial discussions on the various parts of the Bill, children and young people’s mental health clearly came up. The statistics are staggering. Some 420,000 children and young people were treated through NHS-commissioned mental health services in 2021. That is an increase of 95,000 in just a...

Member
Lord Kamall (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2022
Reference
823 cc569-570
House
House of Lords

My Lords, the average stay for people with learning disabilities and autistic people detained under the Act is five and a half years and, shockingly, many people are criminalised during their admission, making their discharge even more difficult. Although removing learning disability and autism from the Act is clearly the...

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Baroness Hollins (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2022
Reference
823 c570
House
House of Lords

I start by paying tribute to all the work the noble Baroness has done in this area, and for educating me more on this issue when I was a relatively new Minister. All I can say at this stage is that patients who have a co-occurring mental illness as well...

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Lord Kamall (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2022
Reference
823 c570
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I chair the Public Services Committee and we are currently concluding a report on workforce in the public sector. I hope the Minister will be able to read it and think about it over the recess to make sure that he takes account of it. In my work...

Member
Baroness Armstrong of Hill Top (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2022
Reference
823 c570
House
House of Lords

I could not agree more with the noble Baroness. One thing we must be well aware of is that, although there are pressures and we are asked for more funding, the Government alone cannot do all this. Sometimes officials, be they from local or national government or from another state...

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Lord Kamall (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2022
Reference
823 c571
House
House of Lords

My Lords, my colleagues and I have been involved in this space for many years. I was in conversation with my colleagues just last week. I agree with the noble Baroness, but one of the challenges we face is the financing when organisations try to create this more integrated environment....

Member
Lord Mawson (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2022
Reference
823 c571
House
House of Lords

The noble Lord makes a very important point from his own experience. I thank him for all his engagement and for educating me on what happens in the community. We must be careful because often, these issues are not simple or binary but are multi-faceted, and we then have different...

Member
Lord Kamall (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2022
Reference
823 cc571-2
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I welcome the draft mental health Bill. Prime Minister Theresa May was right to ask Sir Simon Wessely to develop these proposals, which command wide support across the sector. It was pleasing to hear the Minister commit to the Bill’s passage through Parliament before, and hopefully well before,...

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Lord Stevens of Birmingham (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2022
Reference
823 c572
House
House of Lords

I am sure the noble Lord is aware that one of the things we found when looking at the shortage of doctors—even though we have more doctors than ever before—was that some people are likely to stay close to where they were trained. That is why, for example, we have...

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Lord Kamall (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2022
Reference
823 c572
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am sure the Minister will agree that if we get to point of having to apply the Mental Health Act to a particular individual, the system has failed because that person is, by definition, in crisis. I entirely accept that this Bill is necessary because the current...

Member
Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 June 2022
Reference
823 cc572-3
House
House of Lords