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Baroness Thornton

1: Clause 1, page 1, line 3, leave out “outside the United Kingdom” and insert “in a European Economic Area country or Switzerland”

Member
Baroness Thornton (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 c918
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I rise to move Amendment 1 and speak to consequential Amendments 2, 12, 13, 14, 45, 46 and 47. The House will realise that these are the same amendments that we discussed in Committee. I am grateful for the support for them that I have received from across...

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Baroness Thornton (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 cc918-921
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the Minister for her efforts to improve the Bill and her courtesy in accommodating my concerns, meeting me and discussing various amendments. I am particularly grateful to her—I emphasise this—for her amendment, which we will consider later, that delivers us from the tyrannous shackles of King...

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Lord Judge (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 c920
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I have in my name Amendment 4, which has a great deal in common with the other amendments in the group. It is intended to achieve two objects, the second

of which is to restrict the operation of the Bill to the EU, the EEA and Switzerland—as do...

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Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 cc920-2
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I support my noble friend Lady Thornton who has done a splendid job in dealing with this Bill, in analysing

it and bringing forward amendments for consideration by the House. According to the Delegated Powers Committee, this Bill has “a breath-taking scope”. I have not heard that said...

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Lord Foulkes of Cumnock (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 cc922-3
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I too support the amendments in the names of the noble Baroness, Lady Thornton, and my noble friend Lord Marks. I repeat the view that he and the noble and learned Lord, Lord Judge, expressed: we should be producing only legislation resulting from the decision to leave the...

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Baroness Jolly (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 c923
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I cannot agree with these amendments. As we pointed out during the progression of the Bill, we live in a global world, with more people travelling internationally for all kinds of reasons. There is obviously a huge demand for healthcare systems between countries, giving the traveller peace of...

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Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 c923
House
House of Lords

May I interrupt the noble Baroness?

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Lord Foulkes of Cumnock (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 c923
House
House of Lords

No, let me finish. The Bill will not replace or limit the prerogative power to enter into international healthcare agreements. My understanding is that agreements will still be subject to appropriate parliamentary scrutiny.

It is surely right for us to take advantage of the Bill and look at the opportunities it...

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Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 c924
House
House of Lords

My Lords, this is an enabling Bill and no more. In a letter to the chairman of the Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee on 8 March, the Minister confirmed that these powers would be used only in the exceptional circumstances of EU exit. We will discover the outcome of...

Member
Lord Ribeiro (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 c924
House
House of Lords

My Lords, both the noble Lord, Lord Ribeiro, and the noble Baroness, Lady Chisholm of Owlpen, are missing the point of these amendments. While this is only an enabling Bill, it increases the scope of reciprocal health agreements with countries outside the EEA and Switzerland to include trade agreements. The...

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Baroness Brinton (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 cc924-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I too find this amendment imperative. The Bill as it stands has some exciting prospects, which are worth looking at, but if we are to go down that road we must recognise that the implications are highly complex and potentially demanding economically. It is quite unthinkable that we...

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Lord Judd (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 c925
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am glad to follow the last two speakers; they have eloquently made the case for supporting the noble Baroness’s amendment, as I do. This is not about supporting Brexit or wanting to remain; it is about the tension that exists between the Executive and Parliament, and the...

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Lord Wilson of Dinton (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 cc925-6
House
House of Lords

My Lords, although I do not agree with it, a lot of scepticism about the scope of the Bill has been eloquently expressed at every stage of the debate on this group of amendments so far. However, I remind noble Lords of the human consequences of restricting the Bill in...

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Lord O'Shaughnessy (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 c926
House
House of Lords

Please allow me to intervene; I am afraid I cannot stand up to do so.

Is the noble Lord suggesting that by passing the Bill, existing arrangements outside the EEA and Switzerland would become null and void?

Member
Baroness Brinton (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 c926
House
House of Lords

I think the noble Baroness knows that that is not what I am saying. We will miss out on the opportunity to turn the fairly shallow arrangements that we have at present into the kind of deep arrangements that we enjoy with the EEA and Switzerland. We would also miss...

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Lord O'Shaughnessy (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 c927
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am privileged to follow my noble friend Lord O’Shaughnessy, and I am sure that Peers from all sides of the House will have been impressed by the thoughtful letter which the Minister has sent to us all. In it, there are a number of concessions, which will...

Member
Viscount Bridgeman (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 c927
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baronesses, Lady Thornton and Lady Jolly, and

to the noble and learned Lord, Lord Judge, the noble Lord, Lord Marks, and the noble Earl, Lord Dundee, who I am sorry could not be with us today, for giving me the opportunity to...

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Baroness Blackwood of North Oxford (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 cc927-931
House
House of Lords

I thank the Minister for her remarks and for the attention that she has paid to this matter all the way through. Everybody appreciates that enormously. In a way, she has made my argument for me, as has the noble Lord, Lord O’Shaughnessy, because nothing in the Bill says that...

Member
Baroness Thornton (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 cc931-2
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Baroness Thornton

2: Clause 2, page 1, line 8, leave out “outside the United Kingdom” and insert “in a European Economic Area country or Switzerland”

Member
Baroness Thornton (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 c932
House
House of Lords