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I will certainly go away and consider that point, even if “fiduciary” is not the appropriate word, and look in conjunction with my officials at whether

there is a mechanism that would achieve that aim without inventing some new legal status. I am grateful to the noble Baroness and the...

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Earl Howe (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
2 March 2020
Reference
802 cc218-9GC
House
House of Lords

I thank my noble friend for his detailed response and the broadness of his willingness to consider the points that we have made on this important issue. I am delighted that he agrees that we all seem to have the same aim, which is to protect the consumer. However, I...

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Baroness Altmann (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
2 March 2020
Reference
802 cc219-220GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am conscious that, in the two groups we have already discussed, we have touched quite thoroughly on the background that inspired my amendment. The Minister has explained several times that it is the intention that this legislation is flexible, that because of the ability to make regulations...

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Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
2 March 2020
Reference
802 cc220-2GC
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted

46: Clause 118, page 107, line 28, at end insert—

“( ) Any regulations made under section 238A or this section which make provision for privately owned or commercial providers of pensions dashboard services to enter service must include provision about—

(a) designation of the responsible regulators for—

(i)...

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Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
2 March 2020
Reference
802 c220GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, my noble friend’s amendment, among other things, speaks about advertising. The underlying question about advertising, however, is surely why allow it at all? That was touched upon by the noble Lord, Lord Vaux, and the noble Baroness, Lady Altmann. You can see the benefit, obviously, to commercial dashboard...

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Lord Sharkey (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
2 March 2020
Reference
802 c222GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I have some sympathy with the noble Baroness’s amendment in wanting to set out in regulation, rather than rely on regulatory rules, some of the things that will be required to make the dashboard function well. I suspect that there are three drivers behind that sentiment. One is...

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Baroness Drake (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
2 March 2020
Reference
802 c223GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Bowles, for having opened up this territory. She is a creative inventor of amendments: she has drawn out here a good selection of the kind of things that regulations would need to cover. Will the Minister tell the Committee—whether or...

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Baroness Sherlock (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
2 March 2020
Reference
802 cc223-4GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I fully appreciate that the noble Baroness is trying to ensure that consumers are properly protected and have confidence in the dashboard infrastructure. Indeed, an aspect of this is the need for robust supervision, and I share her belief that it is important to make clear who will...

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Earl Howe (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
2 March 2020
Reference
802 cc224-6GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his response. As I said, this is a probing amendment but also an attempt to indicate a framework that could be constructive, perhaps in particular around some of those issues on which all noble Lords have spoken. It covers things such as advertising;...

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Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
2 March 2020
Reference
802 cc226-7GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, on the final point made by the noble Baroness, it is fair to say that our debate last Wednesday gave my colleagues and me considerable food for thought as to the scheduling of all this. The strong wish expressed by noble Lords to prioritise a publicly funded and...

Member
Earl Howe (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
2 March 2020
Reference
802 c209GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Sherlock, talked about the business model of these dashboards. The noble Earl has just talked about multiple commercial dashboards. There must be a reason why people will wish to create these things, and therefore there must be a business model behind them. What is...

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Lord Vaux of Harrowden (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
2 March 2020
Reference
802 c210GC
House
House of Lords

The Government’s vision is for consumers to have access to their own information if they wish, and a multiplicity of ways to achieve that. We believe that more is better in this context. That is not to make comparisons between one provider and another, but multiple dashboards will give consumers...

Member
Earl Howe (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
2 March 2020
Reference
802 c210GC
House
House of Lords

My apologies: my question was not clear. I was asking specifically about the business model behind this. What is the incentive for commercial providers to create these things? Is it advertising? We have talked about transactions, et cetera. If we are going to have this multiplicity of them, there must...

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Lord Vaux of Harrowden (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
2 March 2020
Reference
802 c210GC
House
House of Lords

Scheme providers have been absolutely clear that they are keen for this to happen, mainly because the more exposure that the information has to the particular consumer, the more opportunities there may be for a dialogue between the consumer and the scheme provider—“Are you saving enough? Can we do more...

Member
Earl Howe (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
2 March 2020
Reference
802 c210GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, is there not the point that, with people having on average 11 different jobs during their career and potentially 11 different pension pots, particularly those they were part of when they were younger, many of them have no information at all about it. They do not even know...

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Lord Flight (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
2 March 2020
Reference
802 c210GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, this has been a long debate, and I do not propose to lengthen it much more. I am grateful to all noble Lords who have taken part, in particular my noble friend Lord Howe, who gave a very full response to the many issues raised. I was particularly...

Member
Lord Young of Cookham (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
2 March 2020
Reference
802 cc210-1GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, the amendments in this group stand in my name and those of my noble friend Lord Flight, the noble Baroness, Lady Sherlock, and the noble Lords, Lord McKenzie and Lord Hutton. A number of us have tabled amendments in this group on similar themes. I will leave other...

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Baroness Altmann (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
2 March 2020
Reference
802 c212GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, the point that I want to make is that there are four cases where the FCA is the regulator but no reference is made to where the Pensions Regulator will provide the regulatory task. It might be readily understood by the industry why regulation is divided but there...

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Lord Flight (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
2 March 2020
Reference
802 cc212-3GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I shall speak briefly to Amendment 68. I put my name to it and raised the issue at Second Reading in the Chamber. We have had a long debate this afternoon, and I think most of us are pretty clear that pension dashboard services are going to provide...

Member
Lord Hutton of Furness (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
2 March 2020
Reference
802 c213GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, the six amendments in this group in my name and that of my noble friend Lord McKenzie of Luton are probing amendments designed to get Ministers to reassure the Committee that there is a robust system of regulation and supervision for those involved in the dashboards. Rather than...

Member
Baroness Sherlock (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
2 March 2020
Reference
802 cc213-5GC
House
House of Lords