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Counter-terrorism and Sentencing Bill 2019-21

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Report stage. New clause 1 (Review of legislation: National Probation Service), discussed with new clause 2 (Review of deradicalisation programmes in prisons), new clause 3 (Financial Impact Assessment Report), new clause 4 (Report on extended sentences for terrorist offenders: Scotland), new clause 5 (Report on extended custodial sentences for terrorist...

Lead member
Robert Buckland; Chris Philp
Answering member
David Lammy; Joanna Cherry; Conor McGinn
Department
Home Office; Ministry of Justice; Lord Chancellor
Type
Debates on bills
Date
21 July 2020
Reference
678 cc2040-2113
House
House of Commons

This is an important Bill, which will have a significant impact on many aspects of the criminal justice system for many years to come. I wish to thank colleagues who contributed to the robust debates that we have had in Committee

and on Report. In particular, I thank my colleague,...

Member
David Lammy (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 July 2020
Reference
678 cc2107-2110
House
House of Commons

This is a very important Bill. The Lord Chancellor and his ministerial team are to be congratulated on delivering it. It is the second major piece of legislation that the Lord Chancellor’s Department has delivered in very different fields, if we take into account the divorce reform Bill. It deals...

Member
Robert Neill (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 July 2020
Reference
678 c2109
House
House of Commons

I will not speak for long, because I have already spoken at length this afternoon about issues of concern to the Scottish National party and the Joint Committee on Human Rights.

I commend the Under-Secretary of State for Justice, the hon. Member for Croydon South (Chris Philp), on his hard work...

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Joanna Cherry (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 July 2020
Reference
678 cc2109-2111
House
House of Commons

I rise only briefly to state my strong support for the Bill. I should declare that prior to my election, I was the magistrate member of the Sentencing Council and a non-executive director of Her Majesty’s Prison and Probation Service. Accordingly, I was honoured to be a member of the...

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Rob Butler (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 July 2020
Reference
678 cc2111-2
House
House of Commons

On that point, my hon. Friend will be assured to know that the Sentencing Council is putting work in train in any event to revise the terrorism guidelines and this Bill, should it become law, will no doubt form part of its work.

Member
Robert Buckland (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 July 2020
Reference
678 c2112
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to the Lord Chancellor for reassuring me of that. I know from having served on the Sentencing Council that its members will diligently proceed with their efforts. That work will surely reflect, as I was saying, the clear will of Parliament to ensure that dangerous terrorist offenders...

Member
Rob Butler (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 July 2020
Reference
678 c2112
House
House of Commons

May I say briefly that there are many MPs in this House who have been affected by terrorism? When I was talking to the hon. Member for Hertford and Stortford (Julie Marson) earlier, we were relating the stories of her friend and others. This Bill before us tonight cements and...

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Jim Shannon (Democratic Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 July 2020
Reference
678 c2112
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to the hon. and learned Lady, who has explained that far better than I could ever hope to; I very much appreciate that. Perhaps there are some MPs who need rehabilitating as well, Madam Deputy Speaker, but that is another matter.

Is it right for a person, even...

Member
Alex Cunningham (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 July 2020
Reference
678 cc2052-3
House
House of Commons

I will start by apologising to you, Madam Deputy Speaker, for being slightly tardy in taking up my seat for this debate. No offence was meant. It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Stockton North (Alex Cunningham). As well as sharing our country of birth, we share...

Member
Joanna Cherry (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 July 2020
Reference
678 cc2053-7
House
House of Commons

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. and learned Member for Edinburgh South West (Joanna Cherry), and it was a pleasure to serve alongside her on the Bill Committee for this important piece of legislation. I guess it is something of a truism that the first duty of a...

Member
Julie Marson (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 July 2020
Reference
678 cc2054-8
House
House of Commons

It is often customary to say that it is a pleasure to follow the previous speaker, but that would not seem appropriate given the contribution by the hon. Member for Hertford and Stortford (Julie Marson). It was incredibly poignant and powerful, though, and most appropriate given the Bill before us.

I...

Member
Gavin Robinson (Democratic Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 July 2020
Reference
678 cc2058-2060
House
House of Commons

It is a pleasure to follow such considered comments from the hon. Member for Belfast East (Gavin Robinson). I want to start, unsurprisingly, by commending the Government for bringing forward this vital legislation. I also want to pay my respects to all those who have lost loved ones and the...

Member
Alicia Kearns (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 July 2020
Reference
678 cc2060-2
House
House of Commons

I hear what the hon. Member is saying, and clearly I respect her experience, but does she accept that we are not seeking to raise the age of criminal responsibility? We are simply suggesting that the age at which an extended determinate sentence can be imposed should be raised. There...

Member
Joanna Cherry (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 July 2020
Reference
678 c2062
House
House of Commons

I accept that point, but I fundamentally believe that public protection trumps rehabilitation, not least when evidence of rehabilitation is wishy-washy at best. Those individuals are just as culpable. I would never turn to a constituent whose son or daughter had been murdered by a 17-year-old somewhere in Rutland or...

Member
Alicia Kearns (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 July 2020
Reference
678 c2062
House
House of Commons
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 July 2020
Reference
678 c2063
House
House of Commons

It is a privilege to follow the hon. Member for Rutland and Melton (Alicia Kearns). I recognise her deep experience around these issues.

I primarily want to talk to amendments 1 to 5 in my name and in the names of others. At the outset, let me stress my support for...

Member
Stephen Farry (Alliance)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 July 2020
Reference
678 cc2063-4
House
House of Commons

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for North Down (Stephen Farry), who spoke with great insight. I want to touch on the purpose of sentencing, which is primarily: to punish the offender; to reduce crime by preventing an offender from committing more crime; to act as a...

Member
Sally-Ann Hart (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 July 2020
Reference
678 c2064
House
House of Commons

I have read and listened to past debates on this issue with great interest, and particularly those on parts of the Bill that bring Northern Ireland into line with the rest of the United Kingdom. I very much commend my hon. Friend the Member for Belfast East (Gavin Robinson) on...

Member
Jim Shannon (Democratic Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 July 2020
Reference
678 cc2065-6
House
House of Commons

I am sure that all Members of this House agree that there are few Bills as important to the safety and security of the British people as this one, and I commend the Government for bringing forward this Bill. We have seen from recent tragic terror events in Streatham, London...

Member
Alexander Stafford (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 July 2020
Reference
678 cc2066-7
House
House of Commons