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Public Service Pensions and Judicial Offices Bill (HL) 2021-22

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I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

Member
Simon Clarke (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 February 2022
Reference
709 c204
House
House of Commons

It is a pleasure to open this debate. I wish briefly to remind Members why this is such an important piece of legislation that we must ensure we get right. Our public servants provide vital services on which we all rely and their unwavering commitment has been particularly vital during...

Member
Simon Clarke (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 February 2022
Reference
709 cc207-8
House
House of Commons

The pandemic has underlined the contribution made by the public sector workforce to this country. Public sector workers do so much to keep us all safe. Our brave doctors and nurses and those in the police, fire service and other public service professions deserve security and a high standard of...

Member
Tulip Siddiq (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 February 2022
Reference
709 cc208-210
House
House of Commons

I rise to speak to new clause 1, which is in my name. The new clause empowers the Secretary of State to issue guidance to authorities that administer public sector pensions schemes that they may not make investments that conflict with the United Kingdom’s foreign and defence policy.

The new clause...

Member
Robert Jenrick (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 February 2022
Reference
709 cc210-1
House
House of Commons

May I just probe the right hon. Gentleman’s last point a wee bit? My bank account is stuffed full of what was previously taxpayers’ money. Neither I nor my wife have had any significant income for years that did not come one way or another from the taxpayer. Is he...

Member
Peter Grant (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 February 2022
Reference
709 c211
House
House of Commons

I shall come on in a moment to my own personal views with respect to boycott, divestment and sanctions, but this new clause has no bearing on the actions of private citizens. This is about public sector pension schemes. The broader issue, which I will mention in a moment with...

Member
Robert Jenrick (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 February 2022
Reference
709 c211
House
House of Commons

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

Member
Matthew Offord (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 February 2022
Reference
709 c211
House
House of Commons

I would like to make some progress, but I will give way.

Member
Robert Jenrick (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 February 2022
Reference
709 c211
House
House of Commons

Is my right hon. Friend aware that, only this morning, Hertfordshire County Council was considering a petition submitted by individuals to ask it to divest from its pension scheme? Does he agree that it is the responsibility of elected representatives to ensure that pension schemes have the best and most...

Member
Matthew Offord (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 February 2022
Reference
709 c211
House
House of Commons

Yes, I do, and I will give some other examples of local authorities considering the same actions that my hon. Friend describes.

The argument that I wish to advance is that, for too long, we have seen public pension schemes pursue pseudo foreign policies.

Member
Robert Jenrick (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 February 2022
Reference
709 c211
House
House of Commons

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Member
Andy Slaughter (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 February 2022
Reference
709 c211
House
House of Commons

I will make a bit of progress and then I will return to the hon. Gentleman.

All too often, the foreign policy of these public pension schemes is, I am afraid, exclusively focused on re-writing the UK’s relationship with the world’s only Jewish state, Israel.

Member
Robert Jenrick (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 February 2022
Reference
709 c211
House
House of Commons

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way on that point?

Member
Christian Wakeford (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 February 2022
Reference
709 c212
House
House of Commons

I will come back to the hon. Gentleman. I appreciate his interest.

The latest example of the politicisation of public pension schemes is by Wirral Council, which is currently considering realising almost £5 million-worth of investments in seven companies. This pet project of a small minority who seek to hijack the...

Member
Robert Jenrick (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 February 2022
Reference
709 c212
House
House of Commons

The right hon. Gentleman said earlier that this is public money. He will be aware that the Supreme Court, in making a judgment on the previous guidance, specifically said that it is not public money when it is employee or employer contributions; it comes from the rightful employment of the...

Member
Andy Slaughter (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 February 2022
Reference
709 c212
House
House of Commons

The hon. Gentleman makes an important point. The Supreme Court raised two central arguments. One was whether the 2013 Act explicitly gave the Secretary of State the power to issue guidance with respect to investment decisions that conflicted with UK foreign and defence policy. The second point that some Supreme...

Member
Robert Jenrick (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 February 2022
Reference
709 cc212-3
House
House of Commons

I am one of those fortunate Members who sit on a local pension board. One of the issues that is often feared, particularly by smaller Jewish communities, is that, rather than focusing on community cohesion, it is about bringing in foreign policy matters that often bring division, when they really...

Member
Christian Wakeford (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 February 2022
Reference
709 c213
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his support for this new clause, as I am to all those hon. Members across the House who have indicated theirs, and for his long-standing interest in the issue. He makes an extremely important point.

Let me be clear: it should not be...

Member
Robert Jenrick (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 February 2022
Reference
709 c213
House
House of Commons

rose—

Member
Andrew Percy (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 February 2022
Reference
709 c213
House
House of Commons

rose—

Member
Stephen Crabb (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 February 2022
Reference
709 c214
House
House of Commons