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Lords report stage. Amendments 1, 3 and 4 agreed to. Bill, as amended, ordered to be printed (HL Bill 43).

Lead member
Lord Davies of Gower
Answering member
Lord Liddle; Lord Tunnicliffe
Department
Department for Transport
Type
Debates on bills
Date
30 January 2024
Reference
835 cc1149-1162
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Davies of Gower

1: Clause 2, page 2, line 19, at end insert “(including, in particular, provision about making noise)”

Member's explanatory statement

This amendment spells out that provision in pedicab regulations about the conduct of drivers can include provision about making noise. Regulations might, for example, prohibit a driver from...

Member
Lord Davies of Gower (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 January 2024
Reference
835 c1149
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am grateful for your Lordships’ continued interest in this small but important Bill. The Government have listened carefully to the concerns raised by noble Lords, and I reiterate what I have said in private sessions: that your Lordships’ engagement has helped the Government reflect on the Bill’s...

Member
Lord Davies of Gower (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 January 2024
Reference
835 cc1149-1150
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I welcome the amendment tabled by my noble friend. I am hugely grateful to him for having listened carefully during our debates in Committee. I congratulate him on the influence he has been able to have in the department in securing the Secretary of State’s agreement to this...

Member
Baroness Stowell of Beeston (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 January 2024
Reference
835 c1150
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I repeat my declarations of interest from previous occasions. I entirely agree with my noble friend Baroness Stowell—she is right. I worry about the House of Lords legislating for the difference between “noise” and “music”. We might be in a minority in the country overall in our distinction...

Member
Lord Borwick (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 January 2024
Reference
835 c1151
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I too congratulate my noble friend on his stewardship and handling of the Bill. It is, perhaps, not the biggest, most important transport Bill to come before your Lordships but is none the less highly targeted, and we commend it. In particular, I thank my noble friend for...

Member
Viscount Goschen (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 January 2024
Reference
835 c1151
House
House of Lords

My Lords, there is a risk that this is beginning to sound like Third Reading, but I put on record from these Benches my thanks to the Minister and his team for their time and the care with which they have considered the points we made on Report and in...

Member
Baroness Randerson (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 January 2024
Reference
835 c1151
House
House of Lords

My Lords, on behalf of the Opposition, I will be very brief. We support this amendment and congratulate the Minister on bringing it forward; it demonstrates that Members of the House have been listened to. There is clearly a problem of noise created by pedicabs, and it affects people of...

Member
Lord Liddle (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 January 2024
Reference
835 c1151
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am grateful for the acceptance of this amendment. We recognise the point made by my noble friend Lady Stowell about noise being disallowed after 9 pm. Clearly, during the winter months and dark nights it is not good to have this sort of behaviour and high levels...

Member
Lord Davies of Gower (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 January 2024
Reference
835 c1151
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Baroness Randerson

2: Clause 2, page 2, line 19, at end insert—

“(6A) For the purpose ensuring greater safety of electric powered pedicabs (of a type specified in subsection (6B)) and secondary lithium-ion batteries used to power them, regulations must be made within 12 months of the passing of this Act...

Member
Baroness Randerson (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 January 2024
Reference
835 c1152
House
House of Lords

I regret to tell the House that this group will take slightly longer than the previous one. This amendment in my name is about the safety of pedicabs and the lithium-ion batteries that assist with the pedalling to propel them in certain cases. It covers only pedicabs where the battery...

Member
Baroness Randerson (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 January 2024
Reference
835 cc1152-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I have considerable sympathy with the argument made by the noble Baroness, Lady Randerson. I find it very strange that, in this modern world, it seems impossible to rely on the safety of something as straightforward as a battery. We have known about battery-like things for at least...

Member
Lord Moylan (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 January 2024
Reference
835 c1154
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I entirely agree with my noble friend; it all makes sense. I shall give a little history: at one stage I was chairman of a lithium battery manufacturer. It is possible in the manufacturing of a lithium battery for a little strip of lithium to move from one...

Member
Lord Borwick (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 January 2024
Reference
835 c1154
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I agree with my noble friend that the first part of the noble Baroness’s amendment is very interesting but has a much wider application. None the less, she has cleverly found an opportunity to air broader concerns about lithium batteries. However, I feel rather sorry for the second...

Member
Viscount Goschen (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 January 2024
Reference
835 c1155
House
House of Lords

My Lords, we on this side of the House have enormous sympathy for the amendment that the noble Baroness, Lady Randerson, has proposed, and I find myself, at least on this occasion, in full agreement with the remarks of the noble Lords, Lord Moylan and Lord Borwick, and the noble...

Member
Lord Liddle (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 January 2024
Reference
835 cc1155-6
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank your Lordships for their diligence in scrutinising this Bill’s provisions. This second group of amendments is focused on electric pedicabs. My department is aware of concerns held by noble Lords surrounding batteries in e-cycles and e-scooters. Amendment 2 in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady...

Member
Lord Davies of Gower (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 January 2024
Reference
835 cc1156-7
House
House of Lords

I thank the Minister for his response, although it was rather disappointing. The noble Lord, Lord Moylan, makes the point that this is not the right place for these regulations, but he accepts that there is a clear danger. I simply approach it from the point of view that this...

Member
Baroness Randerson (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 January 2024
Reference
835 c1157
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Davies of Gower

3: Clause 6, page 4, line 24, leave out subsection (2)

Member's explanatory statement

This amendment means that pedicab regulations will no longer be subject to any form of parliamentary procedure.

Member
Lord Davies of Gower (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 January 2024
Reference
835 c1158
House
House of Lords

My Lords, this final group of amendments covers the process for regulations made under the Bill. Amendment 3 places responsibility for making pedicab regulations solely with Transport for London, meaning that pedicab regulations will no longer be subject to any form of parliamentary procedure.

Noble Lords will be aware that this...

Member
Lord Davies of Gower (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 January 2024
Reference
835 c1158
House
House of Lords

I apologise for jumping in on this point but it is very important. The Minister said that the generation of regulations would be solely the responsibility of Transport for London, which is exactly where we seek to be. In preparing for this debate I looked through the Bill, and all...

Member
Lord Tunnicliffe (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 January 2024
Reference
835 c1158
House
House of Lords