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Second reading. Agreed to on question. Programme motion on committal, proceedings in Public Bill Committee, consideration, third reading and other proceedings. Agreed to on question.

Lead member
Alex Chalk
Answering member
Lord Brennan of Canton; Shabana Mahmood; Gareth Bacon
Department
Ministry of Justice
Type
Debates on bills
Date
6 December 2023
Reference
742 cc383-453
House
House of Commons

I beg to move, that the Bill be now read a Second time.

It is a privilege to move Second Reading of the Government’s recently introduced Sentencing Bill. The first responsibility of any Government is to protect the public. Levels of crime have come down by more than 50% since 2010....

Member
Alex Chalk (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 December 2023
Reference
742 cc384-5
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to my right hon. and learned Friend for giving way so early in his speech. Will he confirm that the proposals he is presenting to the House on the Government’s behalf will ensure that anyone who commits an offence like those committed by Colin Pitchfork, who brutally...

Member
Alberto Costa (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 December 2023
Reference
742 c385
House
House of Commons

Let me take this opportunity to pay tribute to my hon. Friend. He has raised this issue on behalf of his constituents with such assiduity and so conscientiously, with me personally and, indeed, in the House. He is absolutely right to do so: that crime was truly abominable and utterly...

Member
Alex Chalk (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 December 2023
Reference
742 c385
House
House of Commons

All the offences in clause 2 have a maximum life sentence, so the proposed new power to require offenders to attend sentencing hearings would apply. However, will my right hon. and learned Friend look at extending that

power? It would not cover other serious crimes, including serious sexual offences such...

Member
James Wild (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 December 2023
Reference
742 c385
House
House of Commons

I pay tribute to my hon. Friend for raising that appalling case. It is important to note that in respect of this Bill and the provision to require offenders to serve the entirety of their sentence, clause 2 relates to section 8 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003, on causing...

Member
Alex Chalk (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 December 2023
Reference
742 c386
House
House of Commons

I thank the Justice Secretary for giving way and very much welcome the introduction of the presumption against short sentences as a way, as he said, of cutting reoffending, cutting crime, cutting the number of victims and helping to turn lives around. However, that will mean greater pressure on probation...

Member
Richard Burgon (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 December 2023
Reference
742 c386
House
House of Commons

I am at pains to meet directly with the probation service—not just the leaders, important though they are, but frontline practitioners. They do an exceptionally important job. My mum trained as a probation officer and I know how much of a difference they make. I am speaking to them directly...

Member
Alex Chalk (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 December 2023
Reference
742 c387
House
House of Commons

As the Secretary of State knows, I do not accept the argument that the best way to protect the public is to send thousands fewer criminals to prison, but I am sure we will continue that debate later. Obviously, what he has announced is such a big departure from how...

Member
Philip Davies (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 December 2023
Reference
742 c387
House
House of Commons

I thank my hon. Friend for engaging with me so closely, carefully and constructively on the Bill. His points about sunset clauses and knives are well understood and well made; it seems to us that there is real merit in them. I look forward to discussing those with him in...

Member
Alex Chalk (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 December 2023
Reference
742 c387
House
House of Commons

I have obviously looked carefully at the definitions relating to those who would simply not be incarcerated as a result of the new measures. The Centre for Social Justice has done a huge amount of work on this. The key point, excluding those who commit violent crime, is that most...

Member
Iain Duncan Smith (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 December 2023
Reference
742 c387
House
House of Commons

My right hon. Friend speaks with great authority about this point, and I agree with every syllable of what he has said. One of the problems is that the—how can I put it?—deficiencies with which some individuals unfortunately suffer, such as illiteracy, of which I have a huge understanding, are...

Member
Alex Chalk (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 December 2023
Reference
742 c387
House
House of Commons

rose—

Member
Greg Knight (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 December 2023
Reference
742 c388
House
House of Commons

I am extremely grateful—

Member
John Hayes (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 December 2023
Reference
742 c388
House
House of Commons

Hang on, I haven’t given way yet. [Laughter.] I give way to my right hon. Friend the Member for South Holland and The Deepings.

Member
Alex Chalk (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 December 2023
Reference
742 c388
House
House of Commons

My right hon. and learned Friend is such a tease.

As my right hon. and learned Friend will know, 6% of the offences that attract a 12-month sentence are indeed for the possession of an article with a blade or point, in other words a knife, and a further 9% are...

Member
John Hayes (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 December 2023
Reference
742 c388
House
House of Commons

There are some important points to make about this. As my right hon. Friend will know, there is a whole suite and hierarchy of offences of assault. There is common assault, but if there is even a reddening of a skin, that becomes assault occasioning actual bodily harm, which carries...

Member
Alex Chalk (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 December 2023
Reference
742 c388
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to the Secretary of State for giving way. He is being very generous. The presumption of suspending the sentence does not apply in exceptional circumstances. Can the Secretary of State give us two or three examples of what he considers to be exceptional circumstances?

Member
Greg Knight (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 December 2023
Reference
742 c388
House
House of Commons

This is a formulation that is well understood by the courts. It applies, for example, in respect of possession of a firearm contrary to the Firearms Act 1968, as was. I once defended a young woman, 16 years old, who was in possession of a firearm—although, in fact, she was...

Member
Alex Chalk (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 December 2023
Reference
742 cc388-9
House
House of Commons

rose—

Member
Neil O'Brien (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 December 2023
Reference
742 c389
House
House of Commons