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Second reading. Debate adjourned. Ordered, that the debate be resumed on 19 April.

Lead member
Gareth Johnson
Answering member
Guy Opperman
Department
Department for Transport
Type
Debates on bills
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
747 cc1187-1228
House
House of Commons

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.

The Bill would overturn the expansion of the ULEZ scheme, simply because it is a cruel, cruel form of taxation. It is particularly cruel to the poorest in society, hitting heavily those people who have old motor vehicles...

Member
Gareth Johnson (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
747 c1188
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend and parliamentary neighbour is making an impressive start. He and I share roads in Crayford and Dartford where people living on different sides of the road pay different taxes. Some people, such as gardeners and plumbers, travel regularly from Dartford to Bexleyheath and Crayford for work, and...

Member
David Evennett (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
747 c1188
House
House of Commons

That is an absolutely valid point, but I would go further. About 50% of police officers in the Metropolitan police area live outside London and commute in, and the percentage for all emergency workers is probably about the same. These are the people who Londoners rely on the most—they are...

Member
Gareth Johnson (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
747 c1188
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend is making a great speech. As he knows, he has my full support. Does he agree that today we will see whose side Labour Members are on? Are they going to talk the Bill out, or are they going to back those emergency service workers and others...

Member
Louie French (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
747 c1188
House
House of Commons

I pay tribute to my hon. Friend for the work that he has done in this respect. He is entirely right: we will see today whether Labour Members are in favour of the workers or in favour of Sadiq Khan.

Member
Caroline Johnson (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
747 c1188
House
House of Commons

I am following the hon. Gentleman’s arguments with interest. In Bristol we have experienced the first year of a clean air zone, which was actually imposed on us as a requirement by the then Secretary of State for Environment, Food and

Rural Affairs, the right hon. Member for Suffolk Coastal...

Member
Kerry McCarthy (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
747 c1188
House
House of Commons

I am grateful for that intervention, because it gives me an opportunity to smash the myth that the expansion of the ULEZ scheme has anything whatsoever to do with air pollution. If it was about air pollution, the Mayor of London would ban motor vehicles from going into London, but...

Member
Gareth Johnson (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
747 c1189
House
House of Commons

Does my hon. Friend remember the letter I wrote in 2021, which was signed by many Members present today, including himself? Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London, wanted to put a charge—a border tax, as I called it—on people driving into London, which had nothing to do with the environment...

Member
Dean Russell (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
747 c1189
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend is absolutely right, and I pay tribute to the work he has done on this issue for some time. The approach to the border tax, as he called it, highlights the fact that the Mayor of London was hellbent on bringing in a system whereby he could...

Member
Gareth Johnson (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
747 c1189
House
House of Commons

My constituents are equally adversely affected, and would benefit from my hon. Friend’s Bill. Can he answer the question of why the Government themselves did not use the powers available to them to ban this extension of ULEZ?

Member
Christopher Chope (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
747 c1189
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for intervening. As the law stands at the moment, the Government do not have the power to overturn the ULEZ expansion. As a consequence, I have introduced this Bill, which would give the Government the power to overturn the expansion.

I am really grateful...

Member
Gareth Johnson (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
747 cc1189-1190
House
House of Commons

I strongly support my hon. Friend’s Bill, because this is an unjust charge. Does he agree that some of the victims of the charge are local high street businesses in outer London, whose customers from beyond the London border are reluctant to come in because they may have to pay...

Member
Theresa Villiers (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
747 c1190
House
House of Commons

I pay tribute to my right hon. Friend, who has been a real champion of this issue for her constituents in Barnet. She is absolutely right: people outside of London like to travel into London to use the dry cleaners, fish and chip shops, sweet shops and so on, but...

Member
Gareth Johnson (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
747 c1190
House
House of Commons

I have been listening to the hon. Gentleman very carefully. He keeps talking about money-making as if someone is making a profit, but that money goes to London’s services. He is a Dartford MP, from outside of London; how does he suggest that my constituents in London, who are writing...

Member
Clive Efford (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
747 c1190
House
House of Commons

I am rather surprised that the hon. Member is standing up in support of what the Mayor of London has done with the ULEZ scheme. I think that if he looked at his inbox carefully, he would see that most of his constituents—particularly the poorest in his constituency—do not like...

Member
Gareth Johnson (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
747 c1190
House
House of Commons

I am a bit concerned that the hon. Gentleman has been looking into my emails—I think I will have a word with the parliamentary estate managers about that. Perhaps the reason I am standing up today is that not too many people have contacted me about ULEZ since it has...

Member
Clive Efford (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
747 c1190
House
House of Commons

Maybe the hon. Member has an oasis in south London, where everyone around the outside hates the ULEZ scheme but in Eltham they love it, but I would be very surprised. I gently remind him that most of the roads in Eltham are maintained by Greenwich’s Labour council, which should...

Member
Gareth Johnson (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
747 cc1190-1
House
House of Commons

On that point, does my hon. Friend agree that it is clear that what the Mayor of London says and what he does are very different? He previously ruled out expanding ULEZ, and then he did it.

Member
Louie French (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
747 c1191
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. That is typical of what has happened throughout the debate about ULEZ. In July last year, the leader of the Labour party said that ULEZ expansion was a wonderful thing. Come the by-election in Uxbridge and South Ruislip, he said, “Oh no, we have...

Member
Gareth Johnson (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
747 c1191
House
House of Commons