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Debate on a motion that this House has considered the matter of armed forces personnel.

Lead member
Bob Ainsworth
Answering member
Andrew Murrison
Department
Ministry of Defence
Type
Debates
Date
29 January 2009
Reference
487 c501-49
House
House of Commons

The issue has gone on for some time. My predecessor explained the situation in the House. The Dhali-Blake process was put in place as a result of the case to try to make certain that we were doing all we could to provide the necessary protection for very young people,...

Member
Bob Ainsworth (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 January 2009
Reference
487 c505
House
House of Commons

The hon. Gentleman attempts, as he does in a number of areas, to paint a picture, which is far removed from reality, that the gap is yawning. I have repeatedly and genuinely—no gritted teeth are needed—praised the Wiltshire coroner, who has done a fabulous job. Yes, he has given us...

Member
Bob Ainsworth (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 January 2009
Reference
487 c518-9
House
House of Commons

I am sorry, but I have given way a lot and taken time from others who want to speak. It would take far too long to describe the entire Command Paper or the many other strands—pay awards, operational and deployed welfare packages and the procurement of urgent operational equipment, to...

Member
Bob Ainsworth (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 January 2009
Reference
487 c510
House
House of Commons

I am not aware of the circumstances of that case, but I will of course examine the report. It has been studied, as are all the Committee's reports. We talk to people all the time about service educational needs, and one issue dealt with in the Command Paper was that...

Member
Bob Ainsworth (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 January 2009
Reference
487 c509
House
House of Commons

I do not think that I can do better than that; the hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. I have repeatedly had the same experience whereby people are being supported from within the regiment—the appreciation is fantastic. At those times, the Army family or the regimental family—the RAF and the Navy...

Member
Bob Ainsworth (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 January 2009
Reference
487 c509
House
House of Commons

The hon. Gentleman has said what he has said, and I have given him the opportunity to do so. We recognise that one of the main concerns of service personnel and their families is the state of service accommodation. Although some of it is very good, much of it is...

Member
Bob Ainsworth (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 January 2009
Reference
487 c510
House
House of Commons

The hon. Gentleman has mentioned an issue that has been raised with Ministers; the Under-Secretary of State for Defence, my hon. Friend the Member for North Durham (Mr. Jones), deals with it on an ongoing basis. We have a duty to ensure that payments are made appropriately. We have therefore...

Member
Bob Ainsworth (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 January 2009
Reference
487 c507-8
House
House of Commons

I have already given way to the hon. Gentleman and covered his point, which he and others have raised before. Those who receive lump-sum compensations now have that payment disregarded from their means test for affordable housing. Our people and their families no longer slip down NHS waiting lists when...

Member
Bob Ainsworth (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 January 2009
Reference
487 c508
House
House of Commons

As the hon. Gentleman knows, those issues tax the Army and the Royal Marines, who seek to deal with similar issues all the time. The Army is trying desperately to drive down what it calls, in its imitable way, the breakage rate in training. I have spoken to the hon....

Member
Bob Ainsworth (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 January 2009
Reference
487 c506
House
House of Commons

We should seek to spread best practice in the armed forces, as anywhere else. If the Royal Anglians are doing something from which people can learn, of course we need to see whether it is transferable to other units within the Army. I shall now make some progress, as I...

Member
Bob Ainsworth (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 January 2009
Reference
487 c506-7
House
House of Commons

Let me try to answer the intervention to which I was responding before I allow another intervention; I was trying to respond to the hon. Member for North-East Milton Keynes. He has made a series of allegations about the reasons for replacing Joint Force Harrier with the Tornado GR4. There...

Member
Bob Ainsworth (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 January 2009
Reference
487 c505
House
House of Commons

I accept that ruling, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and I hope to be able to answer the hon. Member for North-East Milton Keynes (Mr. Lancaster) while sticking to your strictures by majoring on the issue of people and the potential stretch on them, and not on the issue of equipment. I...

Member
Bob Ainsworth (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 January 2009
Reference
487 c504
House
House of Commons

I have never sought to deny that our armed forces are stretched. I do not know whether the hon. Gentleman seriously thinks that we can completely change the order of rest and recuperation without imposing additional stretch on other people in theatre. That has not been said to me by...

Member
Bob Ainsworth (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 January 2009
Reference
487 c515
House
House of Commons

The hon. Gentleman has made much of this and has said things in the House that he ought to think seriously about. The need to replace the Harrier force is, in large part, because of harmony considerations. He does not need to go into great detail; he just needs to...

Member
Bob Ainsworth (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 January 2009
Reference
487 c503
House
House of Commons

I know that the hon. Gentleman looks into these things and that he has talked to many people over a period of time. I also know his party's policy, although I do not know how it would pay for it. The policy changed recently from a position in which there...

Member
Bob Ainsworth (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 January 2009
Reference
487 c503
House
House of Commons

It can. That, in addition to the moral duty, is why we need to mitigate the effects as best we can. However, these are marvellous, impressive people who wish to serve their country and to develop the necessary skills to carry out operations. There has recently been an upturn in...

Member
Bob Ainsworth (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 January 2009
Reference
487 c502-3
House
House of Commons

I give way to the right hon. and learned Member for North-East Fife (Sir Menzies Campbell).

Member
Bob Ainsworth (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 January 2009
Reference
487 c502
House
House of Commons

The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right that we have been asking a lot of our armed forces—that they have been operating above the planning assumptions for some time now, and no matter how people try to mitigate them, those stresses come out somewhere. They come out in breaches of harmony...

Member
Bob Ainsworth (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 January 2009
Reference
487 c502
House
House of Commons

I beg to move,"That this House has considered the matter of armed forces personnel." We are fortunate to have the best armed forces in the world. What I see as I visit them around the world, including in Afghanistan just before Christmas, is always profoundly impressive and often humbling. Their...

Member
Bob Ainsworth (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 January 2009
Reference
487 c501-2
House
House of Commons