My Lords, I support my noble friend, for all the reasons that he has given. I have a word of gratitude for the Minister for having taken note of this matter in Grand Committee. Because of his past experience, I hope that he will understand, inevitably, the tremendous importance and...

My Lords, I support my noble friend, for all the reasons that he has given. I have a word of gratitude for the Minister for having taken note of this matter in Grand Committee. Because of his past experience, I hope that he will understand, inevitably, the tremendous importance and...

moved Amendment No. 31: 31: Clause 18, page 16, line 16, at end insert— ““( ) On expulsion or exclusion from membership of a trade union on grounds of membership of a political party, a proper balance shall be struck on the facts and circumstances of the case as between...

moved Amendment No. 31: 31: Clause 18, page 16, line 16, at end insert— ““( ) On expulsion or exclusion from membership of a trade union on grounds of membership of a political party, a proper balance shall be struck on the facts and circumstances of the case as between...

My Lords, with those kind assurances from the Minister, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. [Amendment No. 32 not moved.] [Amendment No. 33 not moved.] [Amendments Nos. 34, 34A and 35, as amendments to Amendment No. 33, not moved.] [Amendment No. 36 not moved.] [Amendment...

My Lords, with those kind assurances from the Minister, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. [Amendment No. 32 not moved.] [Amendment No. 33 not moved.] [Amendments Nos. 34, 34A and 35, as amendments to Amendment No. 33, not moved.] [Amendment No. 36 not moved.] [Amendment...

My Lords, I agree with what the noble Lord has just said, but not, of course, with what led up to it. Everything depends now on the response of the Minister. Up to this stage, he has not accepted the case as put forward by the noble Lord. I am...

My Lords, I agree with what the noble Lord has just said, but not, of course, with what led up to it. Everything depends now on the response of the Minister. Up to this stage, he has not accepted the case as put forward by the noble Lord. I am...

My Lords, this is not a question to be argued here any more. The question is: which argument will the Government accept? We do not know. My noble friend does not know—he probably argues better than me. At least the Government will form their own opinion. The noble Baroness is...

My Lords, this is not a question to be argued here any more. The question is: which argument will the Government accept? We do not know. My noble friend does not know—he probably argues better than me. At least the Government will form their own opinion. The noble Baroness is...

My Lords, it is not quite clear. I have tried to keep off Amendment No. 31, because it is right not to pre-empt it. I have said a bit about it so far as it concerns a safeguard amendment which tightens the drafting, but I have not said all that...

My Lords, it is not quite clear. I have tried to keep off Amendment No. 31, because it is right not to pre-empt it. I have said a bit about it so far as it concerns a safeguard amendment which tightens the drafting, but I have not said all that...

My Lords, I apologise for intervening, but whatever the objections—my noble friend is speaking for our party—they have to be implemented within the framework of these ordained procedures. I hope that my noble friend will accept that we cannot by our own domestic law go outside the ordained procedures, or...

My Lords, I apologise for intervening, but whatever the objections—my noble friend is speaking for our party—they have to be implemented within the framework of these ordained procedures. I hope that my noble friend will accept that we cannot by our own domestic law go outside the ordained procedures, or...

My Lords, with respect, the noble Lord is saying—and he will correct me if I am wrong—that the procedures ordained by the Strasbourg court are ““unfair””; he used that expression. He wants to introduce procedures which he thinks are fair, in substitution for the ordained procedures of that court. I...

My Lords, with respect, the noble Lord is saying—and he will correct me if I am wrong—that the procedures ordained by the Strasbourg court are ““unfair””; he used that expression. He wants to introduce procedures which he thinks are fair, in substitution for the ordained procedures of that court. I...

We are not in the Appellate Committee; I shall certainly not start a technical argument with the noble Lord. However, the noble Lord distorts the Long Title. I accept that it is concerned with providing for the right of trades unions to exclude members, but it is not concerned with...

We are not in the Appellate Committee; I shall certainly not start a technical argument with the noble Lord. However, the noble Lord distorts the Long Title. I accept that it is concerned with providing for the right of trades unions to exclude members, but it is not concerned with...

With the greatest respect to the noble Lord and the noble Baroness, I oppose the amendment. I accept the problem as recognised by the judiciary by convention and I accept the erudite exposition of the noble Lord, Lord Wedderburn, but this is without the Long Title of the Bill. Of...

With the greatest respect to the noble Lord and the noble Baroness, I oppose the amendment. I accept the problem as recognised by the judiciary by convention and I accept the erudite exposition of the noble Lord, Lord Wedderburn, but this is without the Long Title of the Bill. Of...

I wholly accept the principle of the amendment but I am puzzled about the steps to be taken. What sort of steps does the amendment refer to? Is it an application to the High Court to order the tribunal or to give a date? How do you make that application?...

I wholly accept the principle of the amendment but I am puzzled about the steps to be taken. What sort of steps does the amendment refer to? Is it an application to the High Court to order the tribunal or to give a date? How do you make that application?...

No, I have not. I am grateful that the Minister will deal with the problem I mentioned.

No, I have not. I am grateful that the Minister will deal with the problem I mentioned.

I wanted to hear what the Minister had to say before getting up and saying anything. From what little past experience I have of trade unions, disputes, ACAS and this and that, I was beginning to accept the rectitude of the way that this was put by the noble Lord,...

I wanted to hear what the Minister had to say before getting up and saying anything. From what little past experience I have of trade unions, disputes, ACAS and this and that, I was beginning to accept the rectitude of the way that this was put by the noble Lord,...

There is no difference in principle at the root of our disagreement. I wholly accept the intendment of the amendment. However, I worry that it could have an effect which it does not seek, and that it appears that ACAS will now enter a far more generic role with its...

There is no difference in principle at the root of our disagreement. I wholly accept the intendment of the amendment. However, I worry that it could have an effect which it does not seek, and that it appears that ACAS will now enter a far more generic role with its...

Briefly, my noble friend is right. The amendment is wider; it goes to human rights and dignity. The speech moving it went wider, to general human rights and so forth. This is a larger question than can be wholly related to the Bill. All I am asking—although that is probably...

Briefly, my noble friend is right. The amendment is wider; it goes to human rights and dignity. The speech moving it went wider, to general human rights and so forth. This is a larger question than can be wholly related to the Bill. All I am asking—although that is probably...

With respect, we got a bit lost. We are wandering in a jungle, talking about constitution and framework for tribunals, what one department is proposing to do and documents in another department. If one looks quietly at what we are concerned with in these amendments, one will see that it...

With respect, we got a bit lost. We are wandering in a jungle, talking about constitution and framework for tribunals, what one department is proposing to do and documents in another department. If one looks quietly at what we are concerned with in these amendments, one will see that it...

I congratulate all noble Lords who have added their names to the amendment. This is a very big subject and I am very grateful that we have this opportunity to discuss it. The only hope is that the Government will take it over, as it is too big a fare...

I congratulate all noble Lords who have added their names to the amendment. This is a very big subject and I am very grateful that we have this opportunity to discuss it. The only hope is that the Government will take it over, as it is too big a fare...

I totally accept that it is a basic requirement and, as such, it is well understood. This is not the sort of thing that I feel I have to oppose, but I do not really support it. I do not think that it is necessary. I do not see why...

I totally accept that it is a basic requirement and, as such, it is well understood. This is not the sort of thing that I feel I have to oppose, but I do not really support it. I do not think that it is necessary. I do not see why...

Is the concept that this code should have an affirmative resolution in both Houses? It is going to be a substitution for a previous regime. Is the idea that the drafting of the code will be given to ACAS, or is it to be approved by Parliament?

Is the concept that this code should have an affirmative resolution in both Houses? It is going to be a substitution for a previous regime. Is the idea that the drafting of the code will be given to ACAS, or is it to be approved by Parliament?

My Lords, it is not a question of golf clubs. The question is the relationship between the Labour Party, the trade unions, political activity and so forth, which is a totally different situation. Perhaps the noble Lord’s noble friend does not understand yet that it is not just a sort...

My Lords, it is not a question of golf clubs. The question is the relationship between the Labour Party, the trade unions, political activity and so forth, which is a totally different situation. Perhaps the noble Lord’s noble friend does not understand yet that it is not just a sort...