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Lords committee stage first day. Clause 1 under consideration. (Part 2 of 2).

Lead member
Lord Callanan; Baroness Neville-Rolfe; Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist
Answering member
Baroness Chapman of Darlington
Department
Cabinet Office; Department for Energy Security and Net Zero
Type
Committee of the Whole House (HL); Debates on bills
Notes
Scottish, Welsh and Northern Ireland Legislative Consent sought.
Date
23 February 2023
Reference
827 cc1809-1870
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I support all the amendments in this group. The noble Lords, Lord Fox and Lord Clement-Jones, and the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, in the way she introduced them, have done a very good job of bringing these important issues to our attention. I want to make a couple...

Member
Baroness Chapman of Darlington (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 February 2023
Reference
827 cc1817-9
House
House of Lords

I very much accept that. It might be that we want to discuss later in the Bill whether or not any of the issues that devolved Administrations have a view on, or have responsibility for, ought to be dealt with in a different way, because the devolved Administrations, as of...

Member
Baroness Chapman of Darlington (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 February 2023
Reference
827 c1819
House
House of Lords

What an extraordinarily old-fashioned way of looking at how to run a country. The idea that the Government Minister would be required to stand here, in front of your Lordships, and explain what the Government intend to do—I have never heard of such a thing.

I think that the noble Lord,...

Member
Baroness Chapman of Darlington (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 February 2023
Reference
827 c1820
House
House of Lords

I am just curious. What decision process resulted in financial services being dealt with in a different way from everything else? It would help us if we could understand that.

Member
Baroness Chapman of Darlington (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 February 2023
Reference
827 c1821
House
House of Lords

We are trying to understand why that is. What is different about financial services and food safety to warrant them being dealt with in such different ways?

Member
Baroness Chapman of Darlington (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 February 2023
Reference
827 c1821
House
House of Lords

It is interesting to look at the expertise of the people who will be making these decisions. In the case that I referred to earlier, the coroner made some specific recommendations about food labelling and obligations to report anaphylaxis. Will things such as that be taken into account by civil...

Member
Baroness Chapman of Darlington (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 February 2023
Reference
827 c1823
House
House of Lords

Before the noble Baroness sits down, I am sorry to keep popping up and down, but it is Committee and that is sort of what this is about anyway. I may have intervened at slightly the wrong point. She was trying to respond to a point about common frameworks, and...

Member
Baroness Chapman of Darlington (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 February 2023
Reference
827 c1824
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am starting to wish we had degrouped this debate, because there were so many issues that, really, it was two or three debates rolled into one. It would maybe have been a good idea to spend a bit more time on some of the things that were...

Member
Baroness Chapman of Darlington (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 February 2023
Reference
827 cc1848-1850
House
House of Lords

One word.

Member
Baroness Chapman of Darlington (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 February 2023
Reference
827 c1850
House
House of Lords

Minister, this is all news to us. Where will the detail be found on this? Why is a Minister suddenly popping up and saying these things now? The Bill specifically prevents the kind of work she is talking about, because it relates to retained EU law, and retained EU law...

Member
Baroness Chapman of Darlington (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 February 2023
Reference
827 cc1851-2
House
House of Lords

I am sorry, but the Minister just said that the Health and Safety Executive is going to use the introduction of this Bill to conduct a review. This Bill specifically prevents the Health and Safety Executive from what some of us would conclude is improving safety at work, because it...

Member
Baroness Chapman of Darlington (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 February 2023
Reference
827 c1852
House
House of Lords

Before the Minister responds—I may be taking advantage here—the Health and Safety Executive is an agency that is able to impose sanctions. However, under this Bill, under whose auspices the Health and Safety Executive will be conducting its review, as the Minister describes it, it will not be able to...

Member
Baroness Chapman of Darlington (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 February 2023
Reference
827 c1853
House
House of Lords

In that case, could the Minister confirm that BSE monitoring will be retained as it is?

Member
Baroness Chapman of Darlington (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 February 2023
Reference
827 c1856
House
House of Lords

I am trying to get this clear in my head. We are not saying buckets, and I am trying not to say “snog, marry, avoid”, but will the dashboard say the status of each measure—retain, revoke—next to it? If that is the case, it will be quite simple for the...

Member
Baroness Chapman of Darlington (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 February 2023
Reference
827 c1860
House
House of Lords