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Lords motion to approve. Agreed to on question.

Lead member
Lord Ashton of Hyde
Answering member
Lord Griffiths of Burry Port
Department
Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport
Type
Debates on delegated legislation
Date
18 February 2019
Reference
795 cc2049-2054
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I declare an interest which every Member of this House who speaks will have to declare so perhaps I can save them the bother. I will benefit from the fact that I will not have to pay the £40 charge if the regulations are approved. Secondly, my wife...

Member
Lord Ashton of Hyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 February 2019
Reference
795 cc2049-2051
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have responded. This statutory instrument is unique among those I have dealt with recently in having gained a speedy and generally favourable response; I am grateful for that.

I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord McNally, for his welcome. He...

Member
Lord Ashton of Hyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 February 2019
Reference
795 cc2053-4
House
House of Lords

If the guidance does not produce clarity in the noble Lord’s mind, then I think the answer is to avail himself of the ICO’s telephone hotline, which is there specifically to answer questions such as the ones that he has asked. He will be able to give them the specific...

Member
Lord Ashton of Hyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 February 2019
Reference
795 c2054
House
House of Lords

My Lords, digital infrastructure is central to the future of the UK economy. People now rely on being connected through calls and online services more than ever, whether at home or on the move, while communications networks underpin critical areas of the economy. This dependence will only grow with the...

Member
Lord Ashton of Hyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 January 2019
Reference
795 cc85-6GC
House
House of Lords

May I continue, if the noble Lord does not mind? My speech is a tightly woven whole, and it might answer some of the questions he is coming to. Later, I will of course answer as many questions as I can.

I will concentrate in the remainder of this speech on...

Member
Lord Ashton of Hyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 January 2019
Reference
795 cc86-8GC
House
House of Lords

I am very happy to answer that; it is a reasonable question. The Government undertook extensive consultation with the telecoms industry, the regulator and other interested groups such as consumer associations. I shall start with the telecoms industry and come to why we should accept what was said.

The Broadband Stakeholder...

Member
Lord Ashton of Hyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 January 2019
Reference
795 c89GC
House
House of Lords

Yes, the body they would appeal to is part of the Competition and Markets Authority; it obviously has a completely different dynamic to the European Commission, which is there to harmonise the single market. It is true that they expressed those

views, and it is probably fair to say that...

Member
Lord Ashton of Hyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 January 2019
Reference
795 cc89-90GC
House
House of Lords

In answer to the noble Lord, Lord Adonis, I am informed that I can publish them.

Member
Lord Ashton of Hyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 January 2019
Reference
795 c90GC
House
House of Lords

Is that acceptable to you? He has asked so much.

Member
Lord Ashton of Hyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 January 2019
Reference
795 c96GC
House
House of Lords

I do not think that I can stop the noble Lord speaking whenever he wants.

Member
Lord Ashton of Hyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 January 2019
Reference
795 c96GC
House
House of Lords

The noble Lord asked a lot of questions. Underlying it all is the fact that this SI is there in the event of no deal. Of course, it is not surprising that references to and some of the effects of being in the EU are going to change. The essential...

Member
Lord Ashton of Hyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 January 2019
Reference
795 c96GC
House
House of Lords

Yes, absolutely. I will come on to that because nobody regulates the regulator today.

The noble Lord asked me to go beyond no deal to what happens to our membership of BEREC if we have a negotiated deal with an implementation period. During that period, the UK will no longer be...

Member
Lord Ashton of Hyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 January 2019
Reference
795 cc96-7GC
House
House of Lords

I was going to read out that exact clause to make my point. If it is,

“in the interests of the Union”,

or where the discussion concerns acts addressed to the UK and its citizens, it provides that the UK will continue to participate in EU agencies and bodies. I think that...

Member
Lord Ashton of Hyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 January 2019
Reference
795 cc97-8GC
House
House of Lords

I do not think that you can argue it both ways. Of course we will not be involved in the EU supervision, given that the whole point of the supervision is to affect the European single market, of which we will not be a part. To set up a completely...

Member
Lord Ashton of Hyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 January 2019
Reference
795 cc98-9GC
House
House of Lords

It is of course a bit late to consult it on the regulations, but we will definitely do so in future. I will try to find out where we have a disagreement on fact—whether it was able to be consulted—and will let the noble Lord know about that. I appreciate...

Member
Lord Ashton of Hyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 January 2019
Reference
795 cc99-100GC
House
House of Lords

The noble Lord is kind to let me in. I think he is in danger of making a generic speech here. In this SI, we are retaining the status quo in telecoms legislation. We are trying to maintain EU law, which has been implemented in UK law. I accept that...

Member
Lord Ashton of Hyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 January 2019
Reference
795 c101GC
House
House of Lords

The noble Lord is surely not suggesting that every time we have a consultation we should agree on everything with every person who is consulted.

Member
Lord Ashton of Hyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 January 2019
Reference
795 c101GC
House
House of Lords

Ofcom has been consulted all along. It worked with DCMS in drafting the SI. It is keen to retain its independent status. It will not come out and say, “This is a joint DCMS/Ofcom SI”, but it has been consulted all the way along. It was instrumental in the drafting...

Member
Lord Ashton of Hyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 January 2019
Reference
795 c102GC
House
House of Lords

Perhaps I may help. There is another way in which the noble Lord could find out the information that he requires. He knows well in advance that these SIs are coming up, so he could always write to me and ask.

Member
Lord Ashton of Hyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 January 2019
Reference
795 c103GC
House
House of Lords