As requested, I was waiting until the noble Baroness had moved her amendment—

As requested, I was waiting until the noble Baroness had moved her amendment—

I was trying to respond to the noble Baroness’s request not to be intervened on during her speech, but I have some questions on what she was talking about. I am now concerned that she will not have the opportunity to answer them.

I was trying to respond to the noble Baroness’s request not to be intervened on during her speech, but I have some questions on what she was talking about. I am now concerned that she will not have the opportunity to answer them.

I thank noble Lords. I totally appreciate that the noble Baroness’s intention in all this is to try to make the process as robust as possible and she gave a very moving example of why she believes in it. But surely the people best placed to give evidence and understand...

I thank noble Lords. I totally appreciate that the noble Baroness’s intention in all this is to try to make the process as robust as possible and she gave a very moving example of why she believes in it. But surely the people best placed to give evidence and understand...

I was specifically referring to:

“The person’s health or social care professional cannot participate in any part of the assessment for a person’s request of an assisted death”.

That is the point I am trying to understand. Yes, unfortunately there are cases of misdiagnosis—the 5% that noble Baroness mentioned—but 95% of the...

I was specifically referring to:

“The person’s health or social care professional cannot participate in any part of the assessment for a person’s request of an assisted death”.

That is the point I am trying to understand. Yes, unfortunately there are cases of misdiagnosis—the 5% that noble Baroness mentioned—but 95% of the...

The noble Lord was at pains to say that he felt that assisted dying was somehow not a compassionate part of care, but will he accept that, for some people, it is the true definition of compassion? Noble Lords have heard me say on many occasions that, when my mother...

The noble Lord was at pains to say that he felt that assisted dying was somehow not a compassionate part of care, but will he accept that, for some people, it is the true definition of compassion? Noble Lords have heard me say on many occasions that, when my mother...

Is there not a critical difference, when we talk about conflicts of interest, in that, in this case, this will be law—something that has been passed by Parliament? I do not believe that, in any public appointment, being supportive of a law of the land is deemed to be a...

Is there not a critical difference, when we talk about conflicts of interest, in that, in this case, this will be law—something that has been passed by Parliament? I do not believe that, in any public appointment, being supportive of a law of the land is deemed to be a...

If I may intervene again, let me say that this is a post which will happen only if the law has been passed by Parliament. I am not aware—but perhaps the noble Baroness can help me—if there is any other public appointment process which says that someone cannot be in...

If I may intervene again, let me say that this is a post which will happen only if the law has been passed by Parliament. I am not aware—but perhaps the noble Baroness can help me—if there is any other public appointment process which says that someone cannot be in...

I am a bit confused. I think I heard from the noble Baroness a concern that savings of £13,000 a week would be generated if assisted dying happened. I then heard her say afterwards that there would be costs on other people. Obviously, she cannot have it each way. A...

I am a bit confused. I think I heard from the noble Baroness a concern that savings of £13,000 a week would be generated if assisted dying happened. I then heard her say afterwards that there would be costs on other people. Obviously, she cannot have it each way. A...

I believe the noble Baroness’s general point was that there is a danger because savings would be made from an assisted death. On the other hand, she asks where the costs are going to come from. I am just wondering which she believes: that there will be savings or that...

I believe the noble Baroness’s general point was that there is a danger because savings would be made from an assisted death. On the other hand, she asks where the costs are going to come from. I am just wondering which she believes: that there will be savings or that...

I let my noble friend finish but I just want to give a bit of my own experience as a former Health Minister. I think we would all agree that clinicians always look at what is the best outcome for their patients, regardless of cost. I want to put very...

I let my noble friend finish but I just want to give a bit of my own experience as a former Health Minister. I think we would all agree that clinicians always look at what is the best outcome for their patients, regardless of cost. I want to put very...

Building on from that, that is correct: there are two different approaches here. There are those among us who believe that choice should come first, and within that choice there should obviously be protections and safeguards. Then there are those people who have equally very firm beliefs that the restrictions...

Building on from that, that is correct: there are two different approaches here. There are those among us who believe that choice should come first, and within that choice there should obviously be protections and safeguards. Then there are those people who have equally very firm beliefs that the restrictions...

I will make just one point. My noble friend mentioned that this was opposed by every one of the groups. Again, we took evidence from all these groups. The position is that they are neutral on it, because their memberships are split on it. The Royal College of Nursing and...

I will make just one point. My noble friend mentioned that this was opposed by every one of the groups. Again, we took evidence from all these groups. The position is that they are neutral on it, because their memberships are split on it. The Royal College of Nursing and...

As the noble Baroness herself said, we debated both deprivation of liberty and the Mental Capacity Act and its use extensively—I think it was on 14 November—and I believe the sponsor, the noble and learned Lord, Lord Falconer, agreed to look at extra safeguards around deprivation of liberty, being aware...

As the noble Baroness herself said, we debated both deprivation of liberty and the Mental Capacity Act and its use extensively—I think it was on 14 November—and I believe the sponsor, the noble and learned Lord, Lord Falconer, agreed to look at extra safeguards around deprivation of liberty, being aware...

If I may say—I hope, like my noble friend, in the spirit of helpfulness—this has been a thoughtful debate, and we all want the best decision-making framework for these decisions. I am definitely not going to pretend that I have personal expertise as to what the best decision-making framework is....

If I may say—I hope, like my noble friend, in the spirit of helpfulness—this has been a thoughtful debate, and we all want the best decision-making framework for these decisions. I am definitely not going to pretend that I have personal expertise as to what the best decision-making framework is....

Where that clarity can exist then that clearly must be the right thing, but my understanding of the many amendments that have been tabled is that a lot of them seek to replace the Mental Capacity Act with a new decision-making process, which, inevitably, is not tried and tested and...

Where that clarity can exist then that clearly must be the right thing, but my understanding of the many amendments that have been tabled is that a lot of them seek to replace the Mental Capacity Act with a new decision-making process, which, inevitably, is not tried and tested and...

A large number of psychiatrists are absolutely of the view that they do not want a new framework. They wrote to MPs saying that the Mental Capacity Act was totally relevant in all this. I am not saying that I personally know what is best. I am just trying to...

A large number of psychiatrists are absolutely of the view that they do not want a new framework. They wrote to MPs saying that the Mental Capacity Act was totally relevant in all this. I am not saying that I personally know what is best. I am just trying to...

To follow on from that, as my noble friend said right at the beginning, the amendment was put down in such a blunt fashion absolutely to stimulate this sort of debate. What has been really useful in this debate is finding that there is a broad degree of consensus that...

To follow on from that, as my noble friend said right at the beginning, the amendment was put down in such a blunt fashion absolutely to stimulate this sort of debate. What has been really useful in this debate is finding that there is a broad degree of consensus that...

Yes, absolutely. That is what these debates are all about: trying to find an approach that makes assisted dying tight and safe, safeguarding all sorts of vulnerable groups, but also navigable. I know that is what the sponsors of the Bill are trying to do and what the noble Lords...

Yes, absolutely. That is what these debates are all about: trying to find an approach that makes assisted dying tight and safe, safeguarding all sorts of vulnerable groups, but also navigable. I know that is what the sponsors of the Bill are trying to do and what the noble Lords...

The main point here is that, by definition, you are eligible for assisted death only if you have been diagnosed to be within six months of the end of your life through a terminal illness. That is the reason that you are applying for an assisted death. That is motivation...

The main point here is that, by definition, you are eligible for assisted death only if you have been diagnosed to be within six months of the end of your life through a terminal illness. That is the reason that you are applying for an assisted death. That is motivation...

As I said, these are not people who want to die; they are people who absolutely want to live. The only reason they are entering into this process, and the only reason they would be eligible—

As I said, these are not people who want to die; they are people who absolutely want to live. The only reason they are entering into this process, and the only reason they would be eligible—