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Lords message considered. The Deputy Speaker announced that Lords amendments 68 to 76, 78, 80, 84 and 86 engaged financial privilege. Lords amendment 1 disagreed to on division (278 to 158). Lords amendment 5 disagreed to on division (269 to 103). Lords amendment 15 disagreed to on division (276 to...

Lead member
Torsten Bell
Answering member
Helen Whately
Department
Department for Work and Pensions
Type
Debates on bills
Date
15 April 2026
Reference
783 cc853-907
House
House of Commons

Further to that point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. I thank the right hon. Member for Salisbury (John Glen) for his point of order. As I have already said to him, I apologise for not giving him advance notice that I would raise the comments that he made in that...

Member
Torsten Bell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 April 2026
Reference
783 c263
House
House of Commons

I beg to move, That this House disagrees with Lords amendment 1.

Member
Torsten Bell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 April 2026
Reference
783 c853
House
House of Commons

Let me start by thanking Members of both Houses for their careful scrutiny of the Bill before us today. I thank Members of the other place for their amendments, which we are considering today; in particular, I thank Baroness Sherlock and Lord Katz for their steering of the Bill in...

Member
Torsten Bell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 April 2026
Reference
783 cc853-4
House
House of Commons

As always, the hon. Member asks an excellent question. For people who are currently still working, it is important to keep the simple advice at the front of their mind that people should be saving towards their pension. In almost all circumstances, saving is the right thing to do, and...

Member
Torsten Bell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 April 2026
Reference
783 cc855-225
House
House of Commons

I have just explained to the hon. Member why he should be worried. He is happy to carry on with the status quo; we are not.

We are going to set this out in two ways. First, we will specify on the face of the Bill that regulations under the reserve...

Member
Torsten Bell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 April 2026
Reference
783 c226
House
House of Commons

If I have understood the hon. Member’s question, we are ruling out the ability for the power to be used for any purpose other than for the broad private asset class. That would include questions of specific asset classes, but it would also include questions of geography. I hope that...

Member
Torsten Bell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 April 2026
Reference
783 cc857-8
House
House of Commons

I am always ready to engage in exciting debates about pensions. The right hon. Member for Tonbridge (Tom Tugendhat) is right to say that far more Members should be enthused enough to come and talk for as long as possible about pensions. I hope not to speak for two hours,...

Member
Torsten Bell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 April 2026
Reference
783 cc872-3
House
House of Commons

I thank the Select Committee Chair for her intervention. The organisation she mentions has been consistently making these cases. In fact, the hon. Member for Wyre Forest (Mark Garnier) has spoken from the Opposition Front Bench about the work of that organisation in these debates, including in a Westminster Hall...

Member
Torsten Bell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 April 2026
Reference
783 c232
House
House of Commons

I absolutely agree with the last point that the right hon. Member made. I am planning an extensive discursion on his wider point about investment in equities versus gilts shortly, so I ask him to bear with me, but it is an important point to raise. We may not agree...

Member
Torsten Bell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 April 2026
Reference
783 cc874-5
House
House of Commons

I am not going to commit from the Dispatch Box to writing 50 letters, but I will happily have a conversation with my hon. Friend about it, as I always do.

Turning to my hon. Friend the Member for Harlow (Chris Vince), I was going to welcome his speech, but unfortunately...

Member
Torsten Bell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 April 2026
Reference
783 cc234-876
House
House of Commons

There are Members of this House who are drawing several pensions, and they are to be encouraged to do so, working past the state pension age and contributing with their valuable expertise.

The right hon. Member then focused on how regulatory changes, partly in the 1990s, have driven changes in investment...

Member
Torsten Bell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 April 2026
Reference
783 cc876-7
House
House of Commons

I absolutely agree with the right hon. Member’s focus on the generational challenges, but I have a slightly different view on what the biggest challenge is. The biggest issue for younger generations is if they do not have faith in a pensions system because they do not believe it will...

Member
Torsten Bell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 April 2026
Reference
783 cc877-235
House
House of Commons

Yes, basically I recognise the risks that the right hon. Member raises.

I think that I should now turn to the shadow Secretary of State, the hon. Member for Faversham and Mid Kent (Helen Whately). [Interruption.] It is not that I was confused; I was worried, because she used to be...

Member
Torsten Bell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 April 2026
Reference
783 c259
House
House of Commons

As a point of principle, Madam Deputy Speaker, I never fight with you—it would end badly for everyone and I would lose every time.

The Conservatives would have opposed the Bill every step of the way. They would have not just been on the barricades but built them, which is the...

Member
Torsten Bell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 April 2026
Reference
783 cc236-7
House
House of Commons

No, we have got some more. That was before Conservative Front-Bench Members—then in a less bonkers phase of life—nodded through the Bill, which they now claim is some kind of end-of-days Armageddon. Let us be reasonable.

Member
Torsten Bell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 April 2026
Reference
783 c237
House
House of Commons

No, I am going to finish.

Let us be reasonable. Maybe Conservative Front Benchers just needed some time to think about it. What happened at Third Reading? On that occasion we had the pleasure of the shadow Secretary of State—she had not quite got to the frothing phase of her development—saying...

Member
Torsten Bell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 April 2026
Reference
783 cc260-879
House
House of Commons

I apologise, Madam Deputy Speaker. I shall contact the right hon. Member for Salisbury. The comments in the Westminster Hall debate are on the record.

Member
Torsten Bell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
15 April 2026
Reference
783 c879
House
House of Commons

Report stage. Government new clause 30 debated with further amendments, Government amendments and new clauses. Government new clauses 30 to 35 agreed to. Government amendments 20 to 89 agreed to. New clause 3 negatived on division (87 to 299). New clause 26 negatived on division (77 to 298). Clause 40,...

Lead member
Torsten Bell
Answering member
Helen Whately
Department
Department for Work and Pensions
Type
Debates on bills
Date
3 December 2025
Reference
776 cc1022-1132
House
House of Commons

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

Member
Torsten Bell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2025
Reference
776 c1022
House
House of Commons