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My Lords, the ocean surveillance ship has the purpose of safeguarding critical infrastructure in the north Atlantic. When it was announced in March 2021, the service date of 2024 was given, but in a Written Answer last November, the Government said there was no date for entry into service. Why has the service date been allowed to drag
in that way? In relation to the national flagship, why is it necessary for a ship whose purpose is to showcase the United Kingdom’s economy, and to boost trade and investment, to be provided from the defence budget? The defence budget is not elastic, although this Government seem to think so.
My Lords, the ocean surveillance ship has the purpose of safeguarding critical infrastructure in the north Atlantic. When it was announced in March 2021, the service date of 2024 was given, but in a Written Answer last November, the Government said there was no date for entry into service. Why has the service date been allowed to drag
in that way? In relation to the national flagship, why is it necessary for a ship whose purpose is to showcase the United Kingdom’s economy, and to boost trade and investment, to be provided from the defence budget? The defence budget is not elastic, although this Government seem to think so.
I remind the noble Lord that the defence budget has one of the biggest settlements, from this Government, that it has seen in decades. That includes a period when the noble Lord was active in support of government. I say to the noble Lord that the MROSS is a technically complicated ship. It is in its concept and assessment phase. He will understand the complicated progress that is then made to the point of being able to talk about initial operating capability, never mind going into service. It is an important addition to the fleet.
On the budget of the national flagship, the national flagship will achieve two things. It will promote the UK in its foreign policy and security objectives, but it will also be an addition to the Royal Navy and, by adopting its soft diplomacy role, it will free up people in the Royal Navy to do other military tasks. It is a very natural addendum to the MoD.
My Lords, I cannot restrain myself from the observation that if the Royal Navy had as many ships as we have Questions about ships, we would be in a pretty good position altogether. The last time that this issue was discussed, the Minister told the House and myself that, notwithstanding the worst-case deficit in the Ministry of Defence equipment budget of £14.8 billion, the MoD would still be able to balance the books. Will that include cancellation or creative accounting, as has happened in the past?
My Lords, I cannot restrain myself from the observation that if the Royal Navy had as many ships as we have Questions about ships, we would be in a pretty good position altogether. The last time that this issue was discussed, the Minister told the House and myself that, notwithstanding the worst-case deficit in the Ministry of Defence equipment budget of £14.8 billion, the MoD would still be able to balance the books. Will that include cancellation or creative accounting, as has happened in the past?
Not at all, my Lords. We are committed to our capital programme. If there has been any creative accounting in the past, we want to put that behind us because we want to be absolutely transparent about what our spending plans consist of. With regard to shipbuilding, as I said in my initial Answer, part of the trick will be to make the British shipbuilding industry more productive, innovative and competitive, and that is what we are seeking to do through the strategy.
My Lords, given that the National Audit Office report of 5 November concluded that the Ministry of Defence equipment budget remains unaffordable by as much as £14.8 billion, where will the money come from to build complex warships?
My Lords, given that the National Audit Office report of 5 November concluded that the Ministry of Defence equipment budget remains unaffordable by as much as £14.8 billion, where will the money come from to build complex warships?
My Lords, that worst-case prediction is a forecast over 10 years. We have plenty of time to manage the budget, as we always do, to make sure that we can deliver our very ambitious equipment programme. Work is in hand to do just that.
To ask Her Majesty’s Government what plans they have to maintain warship building capability in the UK and what are their preferred locations for doing so.
To ask Her Majesty’s Government what plans they have to maintain warship building capability in the UK and what are their preferred locations for doing so.
The Government has appointed Sir John Parker as the Independent Chair of the National Shipbuilding Strategy, which is intended to place UK shipbuilding on a sustainable long-term footing. Sir John Parker will consider a range of locations around the UK and report by the end of 2016.
My right hon. Friend will understand that, as someone who lived close to Yarrows shipyard for quite a long part of my life, I have a particular attachment, and indeed affection, for the notion of shipbuilding on the Clyde. Will he accept that in the event that orders from the MOD are no longer placed, the impact will be not just on jobs directly associated with the construction of ships, but on all those companies on both banks of the Clyde that supply goods and services to BAE Systems?
My right hon. Friend will understand that, as someone who lived close to Yarrows shipyard for quite a long part of my life, I have a particular attachment, and indeed affection, for the notion of shipbuilding on the Clyde. Will he accept that in the event that orders from the MOD are no longer placed, the impact will be not just on jobs directly associated with the construction of ships, but on all those companies on both banks of the Clyde that supply goods and services to BAE Systems?
Indeed, that is the case. Like my right hon. and learned Friend, I have my own family associations with shipbuilding on the Clyde, and I think we are probably typical of many in Scotland today. The truth of the matter is that if that business had been lost, which of course would have been a consequence of a yes vote, the implications would have been profound not just for those who are directly employed in the shipyards, but for the supply chain right across Scotland.
As someone who was born in Glasgow and at one stage lived close to Yarrows, as it then was, my hon. Friend will understand that I have a particular interest in the future of shipbuilding on the Clyde. Were Scotland to become independent, improbable though that may be, can he conceive of any circumstances in which the
Government of the rest of the United Kingdom would wish to place orders in what would then effectively be a foreign country?
As someone who was born in Glasgow and at one stage lived close to Yarrows, as it then was, my hon. Friend will understand that I have a particular interest in the future of shipbuilding on the Clyde. Were Scotland to become independent, improbable though that may be, can he conceive of any circumstances in which the
Government of the rest of the United Kingdom would wish to place orders in what would then effectively be a foreign country?
We have not ordered warships from another country for 100 years, outside the two world wars. Article 346 of the treaty on the functioning of the European Union makes the situation clear: it would not be possible to order such vessels in the event that Scotland and the United Kingdom became foreign countries to one another.
If he will comment about the current progress of the Anglo-French-Italian Common New Generation Frigate programme.
If he will comment about the current progress of the Anglo-French-Italian Common New Generation Frigate programme.
If he will consult the Nuclear Installations Inspectorate before taking a decision on the siting of the facilities for the refitting of Trident submarines.
If he will consult the Nuclear Installations Inspectorate before taking a decision on the siting of the facilities for the refitting of Trident submarines.
Whether the proposals from Devonport Management Ltd. for the upgrading of existing facilities at Devonport dockyard for the refitting of Trident submarines have been approved by the Nuclear Installations Inspectorate.
Whether the proposals from Devonport Management Ltd. for the upgrading of existing facilities at Devonport dockyard for the refitting of Trident submarines have been approved by the Nuclear Installations Inspectorate.
When he expects the study of the communications system of the Royal Navy landing platform dock replacement to be completed.
When he expects the study of the communications system of the Royal Navy landing platform dock replacement to be completed.
If he will comment on the Royal Navy's landing platform dock replacement programme. - MOD expect to place contract for project definition of design of 2 new assault ships shortly.
If he will comment on the Royal Navy's landing platform dock replacement programme. - MOD expect to place contract for project definition of design of 2 new assault ships shortly.
When he expects to place an order for an aviation support ship.
When he expects to place an order for an aviation support ship.
How much of the expenditure on the refitting of HMS `Warspite' was incurred after the discovery of a fault in its reactor & what is total cost to date of this refitting
How much of the expenditure on the refitting of HMS `Warspite' was incurred after the discovery of a fault in its reactor & what is total cost to date of this refitting
What was the date of commencement of the refitting of HMS `Warspite' - 1988
What was the date of commencement of the refitting of HMS `Warspite' - 1988
To comment on development by Yarrow Shipbuilders of stretched version of type 23 frigate
To comment on development by Yarrow Shipbuilders of stretched version of type 23 frigate
To comment on purchase of ships built under licence to design of NATO frigate replacement 90 programme in UK shipyards.
To comment on purchase of ships built under licence to design of NATO frigate replacement 90 programme in UK shipyards.
What studies MOD has carried out into the use of front wheel drive propulsion for fighting ships.
What studies MOD has carried out into the use of front wheel drive propulsion for fighting ships.
When Defence Sec intends to invite tenders for additional type 23 frigates & to which companies will they extend that invitation - Ref to 151 c686W
When Defence Sec intends to invite tenders for additional type 23 frigates & to which companies will they extend that invitation - Ref to 151 c686W