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When can we expect a clear, authoritative and detailed statement on what is wrong with the Type 45 and what is being done about it?
When can we expect a clear, authoritative and detailed statement on what is wrong with the Type 45 and what is being done about it?
My Lords, a study was done in 2011 substantially to rectify the propulsion problems in the Type 45. Those problems have largely been addressed, although not completely. We will initiate Project Napier, which will deal with the propulsion problems once and for all. However, my advice is that the Type 45 destroyers are not now encountering the difficulties that they were.
My noble friend and the Minister have already referred to the positive experience effects that one always gets in building any class of vessel, or in any engineering project, but does he recall that in addition to those effects that one can expect, there was a particular problem at the beginning of the Astute-class programme because of the break in continuity and expertise from the previous submarine-building programmes of the Trafalgar class? Does he therefore accept that it is vital that we do not run into those problems again, and those excess costs and wastes of money, and that this time there is absolutely no gap between the end of the building of the Astute programme and the beginning of the successor class programme?
My noble friend and the Minister have already referred to the positive experience effects that one always gets in building any class of vessel, or in any engineering project, but does he recall that in addition to those effects that one can expect, there was a particular problem at the beginning of the Astute-class programme because of the break in continuity and expertise from the previous submarine-building programmes of the Trafalgar class? Does he therefore accept that it is vital that we do not run into those problems again, and those excess costs and wastes of money, and that this time there is absolutely no gap between the end of the building of the Astute programme and the beginning of the successor class programme?
My Lords, the noble Lord makes a very good point. Designing and building submarines is one of the largest programmes, and most complex activities, that the MoD and UK industry undertake, and the noble Lord is well aware of that. Addressing the technical issues associated with nuclear submarine capability is exceptionally challenging, and is reflected in the time it takes to design and build a submarine.
Will the noble Lord tell the House what the incremental cost is of maintaining and refitting the Type 23s, which would not have been necessary had the Type 26 programme come forward on time? If the reason for the delay in the programme is lack of money, as I suspect, why on earth have the Government underspent in their defence budget in this Parliament—against a much reduced, severely reduced, some of us think irresponsibly reduced defence budget? The Government have underspent by nearly £400 million; the exact figures were given to me in a Written Answer the other day. Is that not a dereliction of duty, both to the country and to members of the Armed Forces themselves?
Will the noble Lord tell the House what the incremental cost is of maintaining and refitting the Type 23s, which would not have been necessary had the Type 26 programme come forward on time? If the reason for the delay in the programme is lack of money, as I suspect, why on earth have the Government underspent in their defence budget in this Parliament—against a much reduced, severely reduced, some of us think irresponsibly reduced defence budget? The Government have underspent by nearly £400 million; the exact figures were given to me in a Written Answer the other day. Is that not a dereliction of duty, both to the country and to members of the Armed Forces themselves?
My Lords, I cannot give the noble Lord the figures that he requires, but I can assure him that we want to get the Type 26s and the capability that the Royal Navy needs, to get value for money for the taxpayer, and to have a very strong British shipbuilding industry.
My Lords, I totally agree with my noble friend that the culmination of the considerable arms build-up, year after year, by Mr Putin, along with ourselves and the rest of the EU cutting our defence expenditure is extremely dangerous and should not be sustained. Would it not be deplorable and shameful if we reached a deal with Mr Putin on the basis of which the Crimeans could exercise self-determination if they wished to join Russia but Ukraine could not exercise democratic self-determination if it wished to join the EU and NATO?
My Lords, I totally agree with my noble friend that the culmination of the considerable arms build-up, year after year, by Mr Putin, along with ourselves and the rest of the EU cutting our defence expenditure is extremely dangerous and should not be sustained. Would it not be deplorable and shameful if we reached a deal with Mr Putin on the basis of which the Crimeans could exercise self-determination if they wished to join Russia but Ukraine could not exercise democratic self-determination if it wished to join the EU and NATO?
Each country must have the right to determine its own future, and Ukraine has indicated that it would like a closer relationship, certainly with the EU. Membership of NATO is not on the cards at the moment as regards Ukraine. However, ultimately, this is a matter which the Ukrainian people have to decide through their legitimately elected Government.
To ask Her Majesty’s Government how many Type 26 frigates they propose to build; of what type; and what will be their planned dates of (1) laying down, (2) launch, and (3) commissioning. [HL3805]
To ask Her Majesty’s Government how many Type 26 frigates they propose to build; of what type; and what will be their planned dates of (1) laying down, (2) launch, and (3) commissioning. [HL3805]
I refer the noble Lord to the answers given by my honourable friend the then Minister for Defence Equipment, Support and Technology (Peter Luff) in the other place on 19 January 2012 (Official Report, col. 941W) and 24 May 2012 (Official Report, col. 833W).
The Type 26 GCS programme is currently in its assessment phase. As is the standard practice with equipment projects, the build programme will not be set until the main investment decision has been taken, expected around the middle of this decade.
To ask Her Majesty’s Government whether they propose to proceed with the purchase of the Rivet Joint aircraft.
To ask Her Majesty’s Government whether they propose to proceed with the purchase of the Rivet Joint aircraft.
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what the in service date of the Meteor missile is; and if he will make a statement.
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what the in service date of the Meteor missile is; and if he will make a statement.
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, which fleet submarines have been given Tomahawk capability; which submarines are scheduled to receive this capability; and when the conversion work will take place. - INc figures.
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, which fleet submarines have been given Tomahawk capability; which submarines are scheduled to receive this capability; and when the conversion work will take place. - INc figures.
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, if he will make a statement on the Meteor programme and its development contract.
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, if he will make a statement on the Meteor programme and its development contract.
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, when he expects all partner nations to sign the Memoranda of Understanding on the A400M and the Meteor programme.
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, when he expects all partner nations to sign the Memoranda of Understanding on the A400M and the Meteor programme.
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, how many Apache helicopters will be in service by the end of (a) 2001, (b) 2002 and (c) 2003. - Inc figures.
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, how many Apache helicopters will be in service by the end of (a) 2001, (b) 2002 and (c) 2003. - Inc figures.
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what savings will accrue to the defence budget following the cancellation of the MR TRIGAT programme.
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what savings will accrue to the defence budget following the cancellation of the MR TRIGAT programme.
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, when he expects ASRAAM to enter into service with the RAF; and if he will make a statement.
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, when he expects ASRAAM to enter into service with the RAF; and if he will make a statement.
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, if Type 23 frigates were procured to replace Type 22 frigates; and if he will make a statement.
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, if Type 23 frigates were procured to replace Type 22 frigates; and if he will make a statement.
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what the cost was of each of the Royal Navy's Type 23 frigates. - Inc figures.
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what the cost was of each of the Royal Navy's Type 23 frigates. - Inc figures.
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what plans he has for the replacement of the Leaf class tankers currently in service with the Royal Fleet Auxiliary; what plans he has to order further auxiliary oilers for the Royal Fleet Auxiliary.
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what plans he has for the replacement of the Leaf class tankers currently in service with the Royal Fleet Auxiliary; what plans he has to order further auxiliary oilers for the Royal Fleet Auxiliary.
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, pursuant to his Answer of 20th March, 365 c105W, on Type 45 Destroyers, if a contract has been placed with Vosper Thorneycroft; and if he will make a further statement. - (Holding answer 24 April 2001).
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, pursuant to his Answer of 20th March, 365 c105W, on Type 45 Destroyers, if a contract has been placed with Vosper Thorneycroft; and if he will make a further statement. - (Holding answer 24 April 2001).
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, pursuant to his Answer to the honourable Member for Grantham and Stamford of 24th April, 367 c232-3W, what lessons he has drawn from such ships.
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, pursuant to his Answer to the honourable Member for Grantham and Stamford of 24th April, 367 c232-3W, what lessons he has drawn from such ships.
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what the latest in-service date is for the 4 Amphibious Landing Ships Logistics. - (Holding answer 24 April 2001).
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what the latest in-service date is for the 4 Amphibious Landing Ships Logistics. - (Holding answer 24 April 2001).