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My Lords, there is no question but that the grey squirrel does a lot of harm, and I cannot agree with my Front Bench about contraception. I think that a more practical way of controlling grey squirrels, one which does work, is to pay a substantial sum for every squirrel tail handed in.
My Lords, there is no question but that the grey squirrel does a lot of harm, and I cannot agree with my Front Bench about contraception. I think that a more practical way of controlling grey squirrels, one which does work, is to pay a substantial sum for every squirrel tail handed in.
Asked by
Lord Mackie of Benshie
(Liberal Democrat)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
7 November 2006
My Lords, I have to say that that is a very old-fashioned approach. It did not work, it is not cost-effective or value for money, and as a policy it was abandoned in 1958.
Subjects
Birds; Nature conservation; Pests; Squirrels
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c641
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, does the Minister accept the findings of the report to which my noble friend referred in the first Question as good evidence on the research side? The evidence falls into two parts, the first being the problem with regard to farmland and the other being the problem with regard to woodland birds themselves. What research is being done on both accounts?
My Lords, does the Minister accept the findings of the report to which my noble friend referred in the first Question as good evidence on the research side? The evidence falls into two parts, the first being the problem with regard to farmland and the other being the problem with regard to woodland birds themselves. What research is being done on both accounts?
Asked by
Baroness Byford
(Conservative)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
7 November 2006
My Lords, the last thing that I want to do is to knock the report by Songbird Survival, but the fact is, by implication from my first and second responses, we do not accept all the science in it. We have asked the trust to share any of its unpublished evidence with the scientific community. There is a problem here, but songbird populations are on the up. Since 1995, an increase of 6 per cent has been measured on the index of woodland birds, although the current level is only around 60 per cent of the 1970 figure. Nevertheless, as I say, it is on the up. We believe that the number of songbirds may have dropped to the bottom and is now starting to come up again. This is in part due to changes in farming practices. Over a six-year period in the 1980s and 1990s, farmers were paid to dig up the hedgerows. We lost 25 per cent of the hedgerows in this country, which is bound to have affected birdlife. Today we are paying farmers to put the hedges back again and we can see birdlife populations increase because of different, environmental farming practices.
Subjects
Birds; Nature conservation; Pests; Squirrels
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c641
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, does the noble Lord agree that grey squirrels can decimate oak trees? I planted some 300 oaks and virtually half of them have been destroyed. We are allowed to use only a very few of the poisons now available to try to deal with this problem.
My Lords, does the noble Lord agree that grey squirrels can decimate oak trees? I planted some 300 oaks and virtually half of them have been destroyed. We are allowed to use only a very few of the poisons now available to try to deal with this problem.
Asked by
Baroness Sharples
(Conservative)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
7 November 2006
My Lords, I am not knocking the grey squirrel, because it is very popular with people in urban areas. When the grey squirrel turns up in their gardens, they like it, so we have to be careful what we say about them. There are some very good public relations out there. But grey squirrels are not as nice to look at as the red ones—and I have seen only one red squirrel in my whole life. The fact is that grey squirrels cause incredible damage to forest trees. There are means to deal with them, as the Forestry Commission does. Equally, as people know when they plant their bulbs, if they are not careful the grey squirrel will dig them up within a few hours. While all this is annoying, we have no plan—I shall repeat this because I do not want any letters—we have no plan to eradicate grey squirrels.
Subjects
Birds; Nature conservation; Pests; Squirrels
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c640
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, we all want the red squirrel to survive over the grey squirrel. My noble friend is right to say that this has been a serious problem. It is all the fault of the import from America of the grey squirrel some time ago. The red squirrel is now found only in the north of England in 16 separate reserves, and of course on the Isle of Wight. No grey squirrels are on the island and, if any turn up, we will deal with them and they will not come back again. We have a plan to maintain the 16 areas in the north of England and the Isle of Wight as red squirrel reserves with 5-kilometre buffer zones where action is taken against the grey squirrel to protect food supplies and to protect against the other factors that lead to problems for the red squirrel.
My Lords, we all want the red squirrel to survive over the grey squirrel. My noble friend is right to say that this has been a serious problem. It is all the fault of the import from America of the grey squirrel some time ago. The red squirrel is now found only in the north of England in 16 separate reserves, and of course on the Isle of Wight. No grey squirrels are on the island and, if any turn up, we will deal with them and they will not come back again. We have a plan to maintain the 16 areas in the north of England and the Isle of Wight as red squirrel reserves with 5-kilometre buffer zones where action is taken against the grey squirrel to protect food supplies and to protect against the other factors that lead to problems for the red squirrel.
Answered by
Lord Rooker
(Labour)
Asked by
Lord Clark of Windermere
(Labour)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, does my noble friend agree that, while there may be some dispute about the effect of grey squirrels on birds, there is no dispute about the effect of grey squirrels on our native red squirrels? Does he accept that the carrying of squirrel pox by the grey squirrel has wiped out most of our red squirrels, which are now found only in the far north of England and one or two isolated pockets? As a matter of urgency, will he ask his officials whether they will commission scientific research to try to discover a vaccine that would allow red squirrels to survive this terrible squirrel pox?
Subjects
Birds; Nature conservation; Pests; Squirrels
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c639-40
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I have to say that that is a very old-fashioned approach. It did not work, it is not cost-effective or value for money, and as a policy it was abandoned in 1958.
My Lords, I have to say that that is a very old-fashioned approach. It did not work, it is not cost-effective or value for money, and as a policy it was abandoned in 1958.
Answered by
Lord Rooker
(Labour)
Asked by
Lord Mackie of Benshie
(Liberal Democrat)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, there is no question but that the grey squirrel does a lot of harm, and I cannot agree with my Front Bench about contraception. I think that a more practical way of controlling grey squirrels, one which does work, is to pay a substantial sum for every squirrel tail handed in.
Subjects
Birds; Nature conservation; Pests; Squirrels
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c641
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, the last thing that I want to do is to knock the report by Songbird Survival, but the fact is, by implication from my first and second responses, we do not accept all the science in it. We have asked the trust to share any of its unpublished evidence with the scientific community. There is a problem here, but songbird populations are on the up. Since 1995, an increase of 6 per cent has been measured on the index of woodland birds, although the current level is only around 60 per cent of the 1970 figure. Nevertheless, as I say, it is on the up. We believe that the number of songbirds may have dropped to the bottom and is now starting to come up again. This is in part due to changes in farming practices. Over a six-year period in the 1980s and 1990s, farmers were paid to dig up the hedgerows. We lost 25 per cent of the hedgerows in this country, which is bound to have affected birdlife. Today we are paying farmers to put the hedges back again and we can see birdlife populations increase because of different, environmental farming practices.
My Lords, the last thing that I want to do is to knock the report by Songbird Survival, but the fact is, by implication from my first and second responses, we do not accept all the science in it. We have asked the trust to share any of its unpublished evidence with the scientific community. There is a problem here, but songbird populations are on the up. Since 1995, an increase of 6 per cent has been measured on the index of woodland birds, although the current level is only around 60 per cent of the 1970 figure. Nevertheless, as I say, it is on the up. We believe that the number of songbirds may have dropped to the bottom and is now starting to come up again. This is in part due to changes in farming practices. Over a six-year period in the 1980s and 1990s, farmers were paid to dig up the hedgerows. We lost 25 per cent of the hedgerows in this country, which is bound to have affected birdlife. Today we are paying farmers to put the hedges back again and we can see birdlife populations increase because of different, environmental farming practices.
Answered by
Lord Rooker
(Labour)
Asked by
Baroness Byford
(Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, does the Minister accept the findings of the report to which my noble friend referred in the first Question as good evidence on the research side? The evidence falls into two parts, the first being the problem with regard to farmland and the other being the problem with regard to woodland birds themselves. What research is being done on both accounts?
Subjects
Birds; Nature conservation; Pests; Squirrels
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c641
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I am not knocking the grey squirrel, because it is very popular with people in urban areas. When the grey squirrel turns up in their gardens, they like it, so we have to be careful what we say about them. There are some very good public relations out there. But grey squirrels are not as nice to look at as the red ones—and I have seen only one red squirrel in my whole life. The fact is that grey squirrels cause incredible damage to forest trees. There are means to deal with them, as the Forestry Commission does. Equally, as people know when they plant their bulbs, if they are not careful the grey squirrel will dig them up within a few hours. While all this is annoying, we have no plan—I shall repeat this because I do not want any letters—we have no plan to eradicate grey squirrels.
My Lords, I am not knocking the grey squirrel, because it is very popular with people in urban areas. When the grey squirrel turns up in their gardens, they like it, so we have to be careful what we say about them. There are some very good public relations out there. But grey squirrels are not as nice to look at as the red ones—and I have seen only one red squirrel in my whole life. The fact is that grey squirrels cause incredible damage to forest trees. There are means to deal with them, as the Forestry Commission does. Equally, as people know when they plant their bulbs, if they are not careful the grey squirrel will dig them up within a few hours. While all this is annoying, we have no plan—I shall repeat this because I do not want any letters—we have no plan to eradicate grey squirrels.
Answered by
Lord Rooker
(Labour)
Asked by
Baroness Sharples
(Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, does the noble Lord agree that grey squirrels can decimate oak trees? I planted some 300 oaks and virtually half of them have been destroyed. We are allowed to use only a very few of the poisons now available to try to deal with this problem.
Subjects
Birds; Nature conservation; Pests; Squirrels
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c640
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I asked about this yesterday because I had to have immunocontraceptives explained to me. I asked, ““How do you know whether you are giving them to the boy grey squirrels or the girl grey squirrels?”” I am told that it is a bit of a problem out in the wild. It is true that the Forestry Commission and Defra are collaborating to investigate the potential of such a vaccine, if I can call it that. If everything goes according to plan, it will be 10 years before a usable fertility control method is available for grey squirrels. I have to say that, as it has been for former Defra and MAFF Ministers, every vaccine that is meant to solve a problem is always 10 years away.
My Lords, I asked about this yesterday because I had to have immunocontraceptives explained to me. I asked, ““How do you know whether you are giving them to the boy grey squirrels or the girl grey squirrels?”” I am told that it is a bit of a problem out in the wild. It is true that the Forestry Commission and Defra are collaborating to investigate the potential of such a vaccine, if I can call it that. If everything goes according to plan, it will be 10 years before a usable fertility control method is available for grey squirrels. I have to say that, as it has been for former Defra and MAFF Ministers, every vaccine that is meant to solve a problem is always 10 years away.
Answered by
Lord Rooker
(Labour)
Asked by
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer
(Liberal Democrat)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, has Defra consulted the Forestry Commission over a plan to control grey squirrel numbers by using contraception instead of by humane killing? Is contraception still Defra’s preferred method of control?
Subjects
Birds; Nature conservation; Pests; Squirrels
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c640
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, there is some evidence that squirrels prey on woodland bird nests, but the true extent of any impact on the bird population is unknown. This issue is being looked at by the UK Woodland Bird Group, but it is difficult to design a study that would give a definitive answer.
My Lords, there is some evidence that squirrels prey on woodland bird nests, but the true extent of any impact on the bird population is unknown. This issue is being looked at by the UK Woodland Bird Group, but it is difficult to design a study that would give a definitive answer.
Answered by
Lord Rooker
(Labour)
Asked by
Lord Rotherwick
(Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
What is their response to the finding in the report by the Songbird Survival trust that grey squirrels are one of the main predators of songbirds.
Subjects
Birds; Nature conservation; Pests; Squirrels
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c639
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, does my noble friend agree that, while there may be some dispute about the effect of grey squirrels on birds, there is no dispute about the effect of grey squirrels on our native red squirrels? Does he accept that the carrying of squirrel pox by the grey squirrel has wiped out most of our red squirrels, which are now found only in the far north of England and one or two isolated pockets? As a matter of urgency, will he ask his officials whether they will commission scientific research to try to discover a vaccine that would allow red squirrels to survive this terrible squirrel pox?
My Lords, does my noble friend agree that, while there may be some dispute about the effect of grey squirrels on birds, there is no dispute about the effect of grey squirrels on our native red squirrels? Does he accept that the carrying of squirrel pox by the grey squirrel has wiped out most of our red squirrels, which are now found only in the far north of England and one or two isolated pockets? As a matter of urgency, will he ask his officials whether they will commission scientific research to try to discover a vaccine that would allow red squirrels to survive this terrible squirrel pox?
Asked by
Lord Clark of Windermere
(Labour)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
7 November 2006
My Lords, we all want the red squirrel to survive over the grey squirrel. My noble friend is right to say that this has been a serious problem. It is all the fault of the import from America of the grey squirrel some time ago. The red squirrel is now found only in the north of England in 16 separate reserves, and of course on the Isle of Wight. No grey squirrels are on the island and, if any turn up, we will deal with them and they will not come back again. We have a plan to maintain the 16 areas in the north of England and the Isle of Wight as red squirrel reserves with 5-kilometre buffer zones where action is taken against the grey squirrel to protect food supplies and to protect against the other factors that lead to problems for the red squirrel.
Subjects
Birds; Nature conservation; Pests; Squirrels
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c639-40
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, has Defra consulted the Forestry Commission over a plan to control grey squirrel numbers by using contraception instead of by humane killing? Is contraception still Defra’s preferred method of control?
My Lords, has Defra consulted the Forestry Commission over a plan to control grey squirrel numbers by using contraception instead of by humane killing? Is contraception still Defra’s preferred method of control?
Asked by
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer
(Liberal Democrat)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
7 November 2006
My Lords, I asked about this yesterday because I had to have immunocontraceptives explained to me. I asked, ““How do you know whether you are giving them to the boy grey squirrels or the girl grey squirrels?”” I am told that it is a bit of a problem out in the wild. It is true that the Forestry Commission and Defra are collaborating to investigate the potential of such a vaccine, if I can call it that. If everything goes according to plan, it will be 10 years before a usable fertility control method is available for grey squirrels. I have to say that, as it has been for former Defra and MAFF Ministers, every vaccine that is meant to solve a problem is always 10 years away.
Subjects
Birds; Nature conservation; Pests; Squirrels
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c640
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I am surprised by the Minister’s reply. The papers that I passed to him show that Professor Roy Brown has looked at more than 115 areas for up to 30 years and that, according to his research, mammal predation accounts for between one-third and three-quarters of all songbird predation losses. Therefore, having read Professor Brown’s report, does the Minister agree that it is clear that mammal predation is one of the most important factors in the decline of our songbirds? Would the Government put forward and fund their own research once they have got over the funding shortcomings that they have at present?
My Lords, I am surprised by the Minister’s reply. The papers that I passed to him show that Professor Roy Brown has looked at more than 115 areas for up to 30 years and that, according to his research, mammal predation accounts for between one-third and three-quarters of all songbird predation losses. Therefore, having read Professor Brown’s report, does the Minister agree that it is clear that mammal predation is one of the most important factors in the decline of our songbirds? Would the Government put forward and fund their own research once they have got over the funding shortcomings that they have at present?
Asked by
Lord Rotherwick
(Conservative)
Oral questions - 1st Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
7 November 2006
My Lords, it is not all the fault of squirrels; I would think that pesticides have something to do with this issue. We note the report that the Songbird Survival trust has produced and are grateful for its contribution to the debate. We would encourage the trust to share any unpublished evidence and research with the scientific community. Of the 15 species covered in the report by the trust, only three species were identified as being affected by grey squirrel predation: blackbirds, robins and whitethroats. These results are not consistent with the findings of the repeat woodland bird survey of 2005.
Subjects
Birds; Nature conservation; Pests; Squirrels
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c639
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, it is not all the fault of squirrels; I would think that pesticides have something to do with this issue. We note the report that the Songbird Survival trust has produced and are grateful for its contribution to the debate. We would encourage the trust to share any unpublished evidence and research with the scientific community. Of the 15 species covered in the report by the trust, only three species were identified as being affected by grey squirrel predation: blackbirds, robins and whitethroats. These results are not consistent with the findings of the repeat woodland bird survey of 2005.
My Lords, it is not all the fault of squirrels; I would think that pesticides have something to do with this issue. We note the report that the Songbird Survival trust has produced and are grateful for its contribution to the debate. We would encourage the trust to share any unpublished evidence and research with the scientific community. Of the 15 species covered in the report by the trust, only three species were identified as being affected by grey squirrel predation: blackbirds, robins and whitethroats. These results are not consistent with the findings of the repeat woodland bird survey of 2005.
Answered by
Lord Rooker
(Labour)
Asked by
Lord Rotherwick
(Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, I am surprised by the Minister’s reply. The papers that I passed to him show that Professor Roy Brown has looked at more than 115 areas for up to 30 years and that, according to his research, mammal predation accounts for between one-third and three-quarters of all songbird predation losses. Therefore, having read Professor Brown’s report, does the Minister agree that it is clear that mammal predation is one of the most important factors in the decline of our songbirds? Would the Government put forward and fund their own research once they have got over the funding shortcomings that they have at present?
Subjects
Birds; Nature conservation; Pests; Squirrels
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c639
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
What is their response to the finding in the report by the Songbird Survival trust that grey squirrels are one of the main predators of songbirds.
What is their response to the finding in the report by the Songbird Survival trust that grey squirrels are one of the main predators of songbirds.
Asked by
Lord Rotherwick
(Conservative)
Answered by
Lord Rooker
(Labour)
Oral questions - Lead
Status
Answered
For answer on
7 November 2006
Answered on
7 November 2006
My Lords, there is some evidence that squirrels prey on woodland bird nests, but the true extent of any impact on the bird population is unknown. This issue is being looked at by the UK Woodland Bird Group, but it is difficult to design a study that would give a definitive answer.
Subjects
Birds; Nature conservation; Pests; Squirrels
Date
7 November 2006
Reference
686 c639
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
Which areas of the English countryside and coastline are protected because they are red squirrel habitats.
Which areas of the English countryside and coastline are protected because they are red squirrel habitats.
Asked by
Lord Fearn
(Liberal Democrat)
Answered by
Lord Rooker
(Labour)
Type
Written questions
Status
Answered
Answered on
30 October 2006
The red squirrel is protected under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981. In addition, it benefits from an individual species action plan that is led by the UK Red Squirrel Group, a consortium including all the UK conservation agencies and the Forestry Commission.
The majority of red squirrel habitats remaining in England are conifer plantations and do not receive statutory protection as SSSIs, as Natural England believes this would do little to improve their conservation and management. However, the Forestry Commission plays an important role in agreeing and delivering management plans for many of these sites, and also provides woodland grants to assist in the delivery of biodiversity targets. This strategy provides the best chances of maintaining a red squirrel population on mainland England.
In southern England, the red squirrel population does occupy some areas that are statutorily protected as SSSIs. These include parts of the two largest areas of woodland on the island, Parkhurst Forest and Briddlesford Woods. The other remaining English stronghold for the red squirrel is in the north of England. A major partnership project, Red Alert North England, is underway to manage 16 forests as red squirrel reserves, with support from the Heritage Lottery Fund. Partners include the Forestry Commission, which is responsible for the management of more than half the reserve area, Natural England and the Wildlife Trusts for Northumberland, Cumbria and Lancashire.
Subjects
Nature conservation; Squirrels
Date
30 October 2006
Reference
686 c15-6WA; 7729
House
House of Lords
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for those remarks. In fact, the Commission has signalled a review of the directive’s annexes to update them, based on the latest scientific evidence, over the next few years. It may well be that that is an appropriate opportunity to get Europe more...
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for those remarks. In fact, the Commission has signalled a review of the directive’s annexes to update them, based on the latest scientific evidence, over the next few years. It may well be that that is an appropriate opportunity to get Europe more...
Member
Barry Gardiner
(Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Subjects
Conservation; Disease control; EU action; Nature conservation; Research; Squirrels
Date
28 June 2006
Reference
448 c114WH
Chamber / Committee
Westminster Hall
House
House of Commons
Can the Minister therefore give us an assurance today that he, as a Minister and if he is not in post, his successors, will ensure that the red squirrel in included in the habitats directive?
Can the Minister therefore give us an assurance today that he, as a Minister and if he is not in post, his successors, will ensure that the red squirrel in included in the habitats directive?
Member
Bill Wiggin
(Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Subjects
Conservation; Disease control; EU action; Nature conservation; Research; Squirrels
Date
28 June 2006
Reference
448 c114WH
Chamber / Committee
Westminster Hall
House
House of Commons
What I can say to the hon. Gentleman is that we shall do absolutely all that we can to ensure that the red squirrel is protected and preserved. If the opportunity should present itself within the revision of the annexes, and if that proves to be an efficient way of...
What I can say to the hon. Gentleman is that we shall do absolutely all that we can to ensure that the red squirrel is protected and preserved. If the opportunity should present itself within the revision of the annexes, and if that proves to be an efficient way of...
Member
Barry Gardiner
(Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Subjects
Conservation; Disease control; EU action; Nature conservation; Research; Squirrels
Date
28 June 2006
Reference
448 c114-5WH
Chamber / Committee
Westminster Hall
House
House of Commons
Research is under way to identify likely grey squirrel incursion corridors. It will provide a scientific base for targeting grey squirrel control measures. The scale of management already under way reflects the severity of the situation. In Kielder forest, the largest of the reserves, which extends to an area almost...
Research is under way to identify likely grey squirrel incursion corridors. It will provide a scientific base for targeting grey squirrel control measures. The scale of management already under way reflects the severity of the situation. In Kielder forest, the largest of the reserves, which extends to an area almost...
Member
Barry Gardiner
(Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Subjects
Conservation; Disease control; EU action; Nature conservation; Research; Squirrels
Date
28 June 2006
Reference
448 c115-6WH
Chamber / Committee
Westminster Hall
House
House of Commons
At the risk of a further 500 letters, I have to say that I have actually tasted grey squirrel—they eat it in America. Although there is not a lot of meat on it, to say the least, it tastes rather like chicken and is quite palatable.
At the risk of a further 500 letters, I have to say that I have actually tasted grey squirrel—they eat it in America. Although there is not a lot of meat on it, to say the least, it tastes rather like chicken and is quite palatable.
Member
Peter Atkinson
(Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Subjects
Conservation; Disease control; EU action; Nature conservation; Research; Squirrels
Date
28 June 2006
Reference
448 c116WH
Chamber / Committee
Westminster Hall
House
House of Commons