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To ask the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry whether traders may weigh, measure and price in imperial units only.
To ask the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry whether traders may weigh, measure and price in imperial units only.
Asked by
Mike Hancock
(Liberal Democrat)
Answered by
Malcolm Wicks
(Labour)
Answering body
Department of Trade and Industry
Type
Written questions
Status
Answered
Tabled on
23 May 2007
For answer on
4 June 2007
Answered on
11 June 2007
No. However, the use of imperial units alongside metric units is permitted by current legislation until 31 December 2009 provided they are not larger or more prominent than the metric units.
Subjects
EU law; Metrication
Date
11 June 2007
Reference
139732; 461 c768W
House
House of Commons
To ask the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry following the announcement of revised policy on weights and measures in the EU Trade and Industry Commissioner’s recent statement, if he will press for the late Mr. Steven Thoburn to receive a posthumous Royal Pardon.
To ask the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry following the announcement of revised policy on weights and measures in the EU Trade and Industry Commissioner’s recent statement, if he will press for the late Mr. Steven Thoburn to receive a posthumous Royal Pardon.
Asked by
Lord Brady of Altrincham
(Conservative)
Answered by
Malcolm Wicks
(Labour)
Answering body
Department of Trade and Industry
Type
Written questions
Status
Answered
Tabled on
10 May 2007
For answer on
15 May 2007
Answered on
17 May 2007
[holding answer 15 May 2007]: The Government have no such plans.
Subjects
EU law; Measurement; Metrication; Thoburn, Steven
Date
17 May 2007
Reference
137410; 460 c869W
House
House of Commons
To ask the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry whether following the implementation of the revised policy outlined in the EU Trade and Industry Commissioner's recent statement on weights and measures it will become legal to sell (a) loose bananas by the pound, (b) timber in feet and inches,...
To ask the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry whether following the implementation of the revised policy outlined in the EU Trade and Industry Commissioner's recent statement on weights and measures it will become legal to sell (a) loose bananas by the pound, (b) timber in feet and inches,...
Asked by
Lord Brady of Altrincham
(Conservative)
Answered by
Malcolm Wicks
(Labour)
Answering body
Department of Trade and Industry
Type
Written questions
Status
Answered
Tabled on
10 May 2007
For answer on
15 May 2007
Answered on
16 May 2007
The European Commission has indicated it will propose an extension of the authorisation to use supplementary indications without further time limit beyond 2009. This will allow the present position of dual labelling in both metric and non-metric units to continue indefinitely. No changes are proposed to the primary units of measurement currently authorised for each of the purposes listed above.
Subjects
EU law; Metrication
Date
16 May 2007
Reference
137415; 460 c754W
House
House of Commons
To ask the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what plans he has to legislate to remove restrictions on the use of imperial measures; and whether he will issue revised guidance on prosecution to trading standards officers following the implementation of the revised policy outlined in the EU Trade...
To ask the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what plans he has to legislate to remove restrictions on the use of imperial measures; and whether he will issue revised guidance on prosecution to trading standards officers following the implementation of the revised policy outlined in the EU Trade...
Asked by
Lord Brady of Altrincham
(Conservative)
Answered by
Malcolm Wicks
(Labour)
Answering body
Department of Trade and Industry
Type
Written questions
Status
Answered
Tabled on
10 May 2007
For answer on
15 May 2007
Answered on
16 May 2007
The Government have no such plans. Supplementary indications in non-metric units are currently permitted under section 8 of the Weights and Measures Act 1985. The European Commission has outlined its intention to propose the continued authorisation of such indications for an indefinite period beyond 2009.
Subjects
EU law; Metrication
Date
16 May 2007
Reference
137414; 460 c754W
House
House of Commons
To ask the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what recent discussions he has had with the European Commission on the permissibility of supplementary indications relating to weights and measures.
To ask the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what recent discussions he has had with the European Commission on the permissibility of supplementary indications relating to weights and measures.
Asked by
Lord Brady of Altrincham
(Conservative)
Answered by
Malcolm Wicks
(Labour)
Answering body
Department of Trade and Industry
Type
Written questions
Status
Answered
Tabled on
9 May 2007
For answer on
14 May 2007
Answered on
14 May 2007
The Government have consistently supported the continued availability of supplementary indications. In March this year, in responding to the European Commission’s consultation on possible updating of the Units of Measurement Directive, the Government proposed that the current permission should now be extended without a further time limit.
Subjects
EU law; Metrication
Date
14 May 2007
Reference
136937; 460 c485-6W
House
House of Commons
To ask the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry whether the UK is seeking an extension of the exceptions to EU Council Directive 80/181 beyond 2009 (a) in respect of (i) road traffic signs, (ii) distance and speed measurements, (iii) draught beer, cider and milk, (iv) land registration and...
To ask the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry whether the UK is seeking an extension of the exceptions to EU Council Directive 80/181 beyond 2009 (a) in respect of (i) road traffic signs, (ii) distance and speed measurements, (iii) draught beer, cider and milk, (iv) land registration and...
Asked by
Lord Beith
(Liberal Democrat)
Answered by
Ian McCartney
(Labour)
Answering body
Department of Trade and Industry
Type
Written questions
Status
Answered
Tabled on
8 February 2007
For answer on
19 February 2007
Answered on
20 February 2007
The European Commission has recently published a consultation on proposed changes to the Units of Measurement Directive (80/181/EEC), and in particular on whether the use of non metric units as supplementary indications alongside metric measurements should continue to be permitted after 31 December 2009. The Government believe that the continued use of supplementary indications is necessary to allow for the dual labelling of products placed on both metric and non-metric markets. They therefore intend to express support for the continued use of supplementary indications after 2009 for an indefinite period.In its paper the Commission also seeks the views of market operators on the operation of derogations for imperial units for specific purposes. These are the mile for road traffic signs, distance and speed measurements, the pint for the dispense of draught beer and cider and milk in returnable containers, the acre for land registration and the troy ounce for transactions in precious metals. The Government have no plans to end these derogations and there is no end date set out in Directive 80/181/EEC. The Government’s view, which it will be expressing to the Commission, is that as these derogations have no adverse effect on trade between member states their future use should be determined by the individual member states that make use of them.
Subjects
EU law; Metrication
Date
20 February 2007
Reference
457 c655-6W;457 c639-40W; 121221
House
House of Commons
My Lords, is it not important to hammer home the point that this is nothing whatever to do with the merits or demerits of metrication? What possible public benefit would follow from the likes of me being deprived of the right to know whether I was buying a shirt with a 15 and a half-inch collar? How will the banning of those so-called supplementary indications hamper free trade or the completion of the single market?
My Lords, is it not important to hammer home the point that this is nothing whatever to do with the merits or demerits of metrication? What possible public benefit would follow from the likes of me being deprived of the right to know whether I was buying a shirt with a 15 and a half-inch collar? How will the banning of those so-called supplementary indications hamper free trade or the completion of the single market?
Asked by
Lord Waddington
(Conservative)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
27 November 2006
My Lords, far be it from me to deprive the noble Lord of his size 15 and a half shirt. However, supplementary indications or dual labelling help the consumer to make an informed choice and allow for proper price comparisons. That is sensible.
Subjects
EU law; Metrication
Date
27 November 2006
Reference
687 c542
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, can the Minister be a little bit bolder on modernisation, bearing in mind the Labour pride in past modernisation? Is he not aware that metrication is wanted by the vast majority of trade associations in this country and in the other member states, including some of the new ones? Why do we not press ahead with it, allowing for the consultation and bearing in mind that even the youngest school child understands the metric system in this country perfectly, unlike the noble Lord, Lord Pearson of Rannoch?
My Lords, can the Minister be a little bit bolder on modernisation, bearing in mind the Labour pride in past modernisation? Is he not aware that metrication is wanted by the vast majority of trade associations in this country and in the other member states, including some of the new ones? Why do we not press ahead with it, allowing for the consultation and bearing in mind that even the youngest school child understands the metric system in this country perfectly, unlike the noble Lord, Lord Pearson of Rannoch?
Asked by
Lord Dykes
(Liberal Democrat)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
27 November 2006
My Lords, of course there are arguments on both sides. There are those who support the metric lobby and there are others, not necessarily the youngest people, who are more comfortable with imperial measurements. We need to take both strands of opinion into account. The European Commission is looking at the area, so we should await its consultation before holding our own in this country.
Subjects
EU law; Metrication
Date
27 November 2006
Reference
687 c542
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I declare an interest as a patron of the BWMA. Is the Minister aware that, unless something is done, in just over three years it will be illegal to sell not only the shirt with a 15 and a half-inch collar to which the noble Lord, Lord Waddington, referred, but a pair of size 9 shoes? It will be illegal to advertise a car that does 50 miles to the gallon or an executive jet that cruises at 30,000 feet above the weather. Moreover, what will happen about bicycles? The Minister may not be aware, but they are sold with 26 or 28-inch wheels all over Europe, not merely in the United Kingdom.
My Lords, I declare an interest as a patron of the BWMA. Is the Minister aware that, unless something is done, in just over three years it will be illegal to sell not only the shirt with a 15 and a half-inch collar to which the noble Lord, Lord Waddington, referred, but a pair of size 9 shoes? It will be illegal to advertise a car that does 50 miles to the gallon or an executive jet that cruises at 30,000 feet above the weather. Moreover, what will happen about bicycles? The Minister may not be aware, but they are sold with 26 or 28-inch wheels all over Europe, not merely in the United Kingdom.
Asked by
Lord Monson
(Crossbench)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
27 November 2006
My Lords, as I said, the Commission is looking at that. We have already had two reviews that have extended the use of dual labelling, and we may well have further extensions or a permanent derogation of the scheme, so I do not think that the noble Lord’s fears are justified. After all, we still use the mile, the yard, the foot, the inch, the pint, the troy ounce, the acre and other imperial measurements, so perhaps he is being too doom-laden in his warnings.
Subjects
EU law; Metrication
Date
27 November 2006
Reference
687 c543
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, is the noble Lord aware that, when in 1799 compulsory metric measures were forced on France, the system was so badly received by the populace that the old measures remained in use? Napoleon in 1812, when he had more pressing problems on his mind, authorised the usage of what he called mesures usuelles, which relegalised traditional French measures. They are still in use in France today. With that historical lesson in mind, will Her Majesty's Government tell the European Commission that they will not criminalise the use of non-metrical measures?
My Lords, is the noble Lord aware that, when in 1799 compulsory metric measures were forced on France, the system was so badly received by the populace that the old measures remained in use? Napoleon in 1812, when he had more pressing problems on his mind, authorised the usage of what he called mesures usuelles, which relegalised traditional French measures. They are still in use in France today. With that historical lesson in mind, will Her Majesty's Government tell the European Commission that they will not criminalise the use of non-metrical measures?
Asked by
Lord Stoddart of Swindon
(Independent Labour)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
27 November 2006
My Lords, I do not want to go back in history quite so far as 1812, bearing in mind that we are in 2006. The noble Lord has a point, but the Commission will look at the issue. It has already granted one extension on the regulations on dual labelling that came in in 1989, which have been reviewed and extended until 1999 and then again to 2009. The Commission is looking at a further extension of the use of dual labelling, and even a permanent derogation, so it is too early for me to comment on the issues that he raises.
Subjects
EU law; Metrication
Date
27 November 2006
Reference
687 c542
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Pearson of Rannoch, for that question. First, I confess that when metrication was introduced to this country through Parliament, I did not follow the debate very closely—partly because I was six years old at the time. I do not believe that the dual labelling of cauliflowers will lead to the end of civilisation as we know it. Having said that, the Department of Trade and Industry is well aware of the attitude of industry, particularly on metrication. We have had useful meetings with representatives of a wide range of sectors, and we are very up to date with their views. Currently, most transactions are dealt with through metric units. Of course, we are aware that there are countries such as the United States, for example, that do not use the metric system.
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Pearson of Rannoch, for that question. First, I confess that when metrication was introduced to this country through Parliament, I did not follow the debate very closely—partly because I was six years old at the time. I do not believe that the dual labelling of cauliflowers will lead to the end of civilisation as we know it. Having said that, the Department of Trade and Industry is well aware of the attitude of industry, particularly on metrication. We have had useful meetings with representatives of a wide range of sectors, and we are very up to date with their views. Currently, most transactions are dealt with through metric units. Of course, we are aware that there are countries such as the United States, for example, that do not use the metric system.
Answered by
Lord Truscott
(Labour)
Asked by
Lord Pearson of Rannoch
(Conservative Independent)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, my pleasure at finding myself in agreement with one of Her Majesty’s Government’s initiatives is almost too great to bear. Do the Government therefore agree that trade associations in this country, and all over Europe, are very disturbed by these proposals, as indeed is the United States of America, which shares our system? Further, is the noble Lord aware that the commissioner, Martin Bangemann, in 1996 revealed that the reason for this unfortunate measure was that the United Kingdom shared that common system of weights and measures with the United States and thereby enjoyed an unfair competitive advantage? Would the noble Lord care to comment on that? It perhaps gives the flavour of so much of the legislation coming our way from Brussels.
Subjects
EU law; Metrication
Date
27 November 2006
Reference
687 c541
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, as I said, the Commission is looking at that. We have already had two reviews that have extended the use of dual labelling, and we may well have further extensions or a permanent derogation of the scheme, so I do not think that the noble Lord’s fears are justified. After all, we still use the mile, the yard, the foot, the inch, the pint, the troy ounce, the acre and other imperial measurements, so perhaps he is being too doom-laden in his warnings.
My Lords, as I said, the Commission is looking at that. We have already had two reviews that have extended the use of dual labelling, and we may well have further extensions or a permanent derogation of the scheme, so I do not think that the noble Lord’s fears are justified. After all, we still use the mile, the yard, the foot, the inch, the pint, the troy ounce, the acre and other imperial measurements, so perhaps he is being too doom-laden in his warnings.
Answered by
Lord Truscott
(Labour)
Asked by
Lord Monson
(Crossbench)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, I declare an interest as a patron of the BWMA. Is the Minister aware that, unless something is done, in just over three years it will be illegal to sell not only the shirt with a 15 and a half-inch collar to which the noble Lord, Lord Waddington, referred, but a pair of size 9 shoes? It will be illegal to advertise a car that does 50 miles to the gallon or an executive jet that cruises at 30,000 feet above the weather. Moreover, what will happen about bicycles? The Minister may not be aware, but they are sold with 26 or 28-inch wheels all over Europe, not merely in the United Kingdom.
Subjects
EU law; Metrication
Date
27 November 2006
Reference
687 c543
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, far be it from me to deprive the noble Lord of his size 15 and a half shirt. However, supplementary indications or dual labelling help the consumer to make an informed choice and allow for proper price comparisons. That is sensible.
My Lords, far be it from me to deprive the noble Lord of his size 15 and a half shirt. However, supplementary indications or dual labelling help the consumer to make an informed choice and allow for proper price comparisons. That is sensible.
Answered by
Lord Truscott
(Labour)
Asked by
Lord Waddington
(Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, is it not important to hammer home the point that this is nothing whatever to do with the merits or demerits of metrication? What possible public benefit would follow from the likes of me being deprived of the right to know whether I was buying a shirt with a 15 and a half-inch collar? How will the banning of those so-called supplementary indications hamper free trade or the completion of the single market?
Subjects
EU law; Metrication
Date
27 November 2006
Reference
687 c542
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I do not want to go back in history quite so far as 1812, bearing in mind that we are in 2006. The noble Lord has a point, but the Commission will look at the issue. It has already granted one extension on the regulations on dual labelling that came in in 1989, which have been reviewed and extended until 1999 and then again to 2009. The Commission is looking at a further extension of the use of dual labelling, and even a permanent derogation, so it is too early for me to comment on the issues that he raises.
My Lords, I do not want to go back in history quite so far as 1812, bearing in mind that we are in 2006. The noble Lord has a point, but the Commission will look at the issue. It has already granted one extension on the regulations on dual labelling that came in in 1989, which have been reviewed and extended until 1999 and then again to 2009. The Commission is looking at a further extension of the use of dual labelling, and even a permanent derogation, so it is too early for me to comment on the issues that he raises.
Answered by
Lord Truscott
(Labour)
Asked by
Lord Stoddart of Swindon
(Independent Labour)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, is the noble Lord aware that, when in 1799 compulsory metric measures were forced on France, the system was so badly received by the populace that the old measures remained in use? Napoleon in 1812, when he had more pressing problems on his mind, authorised the usage of what he called mesures usuelles, which relegalised traditional French measures. They are still in use in France today. With that historical lesson in mind, will Her Majesty's Government tell the European Commission that they will not criminalise the use of non-metrical measures?
Subjects
EU law; Metrication
Date
27 November 2006
Reference
687 c542
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, of course there are arguments on both sides. There are those who support the metric lobby and there are others, not necessarily the youngest people, who are more comfortable with imperial measurements. We need to take both strands of opinion into account. The European Commission is looking at the area, so we should await its consultation before holding our own in this country.
My Lords, of course there are arguments on both sides. There are those who support the metric lobby and there are others, not necessarily the youngest people, who are more comfortable with imperial measurements. We need to take both strands of opinion into account. The European Commission is looking at the area, so we should await its consultation before holding our own in this country.
Answered by
Lord Truscott
(Labour)
Asked by
Lord Dykes
(Liberal Democrat)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, can the Minister be a little bit bolder on modernisation, bearing in mind the Labour pride in past modernisation? Is he not aware that metrication is wanted by the vast majority of trade associations in this country and in the other member states, including some of the new ones? Why do we not press ahead with it, allowing for the consultation and bearing in mind that even the youngest school child understands the metric system in this country perfectly, unlike the noble Lord, Lord Pearson of Rannoch?
Subjects
EU law; Metrication
Date
27 November 2006
Reference
687 c542
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
Whether they support the European Union’s proposal to make the commercial use of non-metric terms a criminal offence from 1 January 2010.
Whether they support the European Union’s proposal to make the commercial use of non-metric terms a criminal offence from 1 January 2010.
Asked by
Lord Pearson of Rannoch
(Conservative Independent)
Answered by
Lord Truscott
(Labour)
Oral questions - Lead
Status
Answered
For answer on
27 November 2006
Answered on
27 November 2006
My Lords, the use of imperial units alongside metric units is permitted by current legislation until 31 December 2009. The Government think that there is a strong case for extending this permission beyond that date and, perhaps, permanently. We await with interest a consultation paper from the European Commission, which is expected to address this issue.
Subjects
EU law; Metrication
Date
27 November 2006
Reference
687 c541
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, my pleasure at finding myself in agreement with one of Her Majesty’s Government’s initiatives is almost too great to bear. Do the Government therefore agree that trade associations in this country, and all over Europe, are very disturbed by these proposals, as indeed is the United States of America, which shares our system? Further, is the noble Lord aware that the commissioner, Martin Bangemann, in 1996 revealed that the reason for this unfortunate measure was that the United Kingdom shared that common system of weights and measures with the United States and thereby enjoyed an unfair competitive advantage? Would the noble Lord care to comment on that? It perhaps gives the flavour of so much of the legislation coming our way from Brussels.
My Lords, my pleasure at finding myself in agreement with one of Her Majesty’s Government’s initiatives is almost too great to bear. Do the Government therefore agree that trade associations in this country, and all over Europe, are very disturbed by these proposals, as indeed is the United States of America, which shares our system? Further, is the noble Lord aware that the commissioner, Martin Bangemann, in 1996 revealed that the reason for this unfortunate measure was that the United Kingdom shared that common system of weights and measures with the United States and thereby enjoyed an unfair competitive advantage? Would the noble Lord care to comment on that? It perhaps gives the flavour of so much of the legislation coming our way from Brussels.
Asked by
Lord Pearson of Rannoch
(Conservative Independent)
Oral questions - 1st Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
27 November 2006
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Pearson of Rannoch, for that question. First, I confess that when metrication was introduced to this country through Parliament, I did not follow the debate very closely—partly because I was six years old at the time. I do not believe that the dual labelling of cauliflowers will lead to the end of civilisation as we know it. Having said that, the Department of Trade and Industry is well aware of the attitude of industry, particularly on metrication. We have had useful meetings with representatives of a wide range of sectors, and we are very up to date with their views. Currently, most transactions are dealt with through metric units. Of course, we are aware that there are countries such as the United States, for example, that do not use the metric system.
Subjects
EU law; Metrication
Date
27 November 2006
Reference
687 c541
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, the use of imperial units alongside metric units is permitted by current legislation until 31 December 2009. The Government think that there is a strong case for extending this permission beyond that date and, perhaps, permanently. We await with interest a consultation paper from the European Commission, which is expected to address this issue.
My Lords, the use of imperial units alongside metric units is permitted by current legislation until 31 December 2009. The Government think that there is a strong case for extending this permission beyond that date and, perhaps, permanently. We await with interest a consultation paper from the European Commission, which is expected to address this issue.
Answered by
Lord Truscott
(Labour)
Asked by
Lord Pearson of Rannoch
(Conservative Independent)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Whether they support the European Union’s proposal to make the commercial use of non-metric terms a criminal offence from 1 January 2010.
Subjects
EU law; Metrication
Date
27 November 2006
Reference
687 c541
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords