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Thirteenth backbench debate (part one). Motion that this House has considered the matter of the publication of the sixth report from the International Development Committee, on Afghanistan: Development progress and prospects after 2014, HC 403. Agreed to on question.

Lead member
Lord Bruce of Bennachie
Answering member
Alan Duncan
Department
Department for International Development; International Development Committee
Type
Backbench debates; Debates on select committee reports
Date
25 October 2012
Reference
551 cc1089-1094
House
House of Commons

I beg to move,

That this House has considered the matter of the publication of the Sixth Report from the International Development Committee, on Afghanistan: Development progress and prospects after 2014, HC 403.

I am happy to accept interventions, while taking Mr Speaker’s restrictions into account. It is worth recording that, since...

Member
Lord Bruce of Bennachie (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2012
Reference
551 c1089
House
House of Commons

My right hon. Friend will recall our visit to the hospital of the International Committee of the Red Cross, which was doing incredible, innovative work with amputees who had been injured in land mine and other accidents. He will also recall the workshop next to the hospital, where false limbs...

Member
Pauline Latham (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2012
Reference
551 c1089
House
House of Commons

I agree with my hon. Friend. Contrary to what Members might think, our visit was truly inspirational in terms of what it told us about amputees’ recovery and recuperation. The Red Cross runs seven such centres throughout Afghanistan, and

its valuable work is supported very effectively by DFID, but it...

Member
Lord Bruce of Bennachie (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2012
Reference
551 cc1089-1090
House
House of Commons

Given the current security situation, especially in Helmand province, it is much harder for DFID officials to get out and about and supervise and quality-control DFID projects than it was during the Committee’s earlier visits. Does the right hon. Gentleman agree that it is important for us to maintain the...

Member
Hugh Bayley (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2012
Reference
551 c1090
House
House of Commons

The hon. Gentleman puts his finger on a very important point. We acknowledge that Helmand will present difficulties, and we accept that DFID has decided that it will not be able to maintain an office there once the troops have been withdrawn. However, I agree with him that, given that...

Member
Lord Bruce of Bennachie (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2012
Reference
551 c1090
House
House of Commons

I congratulate the right hon. Gentleman on the Committee’s report. What role does he see for non-governmental organisations in the delivery of DFID’s aid in Afghanistan?

Member
Eilidh Whiteford (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2012
Reference
551 c1090
House
House of Commons

NGOs will have a substantial role. We recognise that a limited number of very effective NGOs—some international and some local—can operate in circumstances in which foreign Government agencies cannot. The fundamental reason for that is their ability to reach an accommodation with local leaders and to defuse situations that international...

Member
Lord Bruce of Bennachie (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2012
Reference
551 c1090
House
House of Commons

The British public are owed honesty, and the media have rightly reported today on whether the development efforts in Afghanistan are worth the sacrifices that are being made. Does the Select Committee Chairman agree that when Committee members visited Afghanistan we witnessed the problems that our aid efforts were having...

Member
Michael McCann (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2012
Reference
551 c1090
House
House of Commons

The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right, but the point is that we do not know what the situation will be. Our argument is that we need to be flexible. We should make a fundamental commitment to continue to provide support where we can, although we might have to find different...

Member
Lord Bruce of Bennachie (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2012
Reference
551 c1091
House
House of Commons

May I begin by joining in the expressions of sadness about the deaths of the two British service personnel? We value enormously the role played by our military in Afghanistan. We simply would not be able to operate without the support that they provide.

I assure the right hon. Gentleman that...

Member
Alan Duncan (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2012
Reference
551 c1091
House
House of Commons

I thank my right hon. Friend for that very constructive intervention. Although we are suggesting changes in priorities, our main point is that the UK Government and DFID need to be flexible in what is a very challenging situation.

Of course the Committee would wish to see Afghanistan functioning as a...

Member
Lord Bruce of Bennachie (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2012
Reference
551 c1091
House
House of Commons

The entire House is grateful to the right hon. Gentleman and his Committee for adding a dose of reality to the myths that have surrounded this topic. Our efforts have been well-intentioned but ludicrously over-ambitious in that we have tried to change a 13th century society into a modern state....

Member
Paul Flynn (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2012
Reference
551 c1091
House
House of Commons

I accept part of what the hon. Gentleman says, but I do not entirely accept his apocalyptic version of events. Real progress has been made; we should not underestimate that. Although Committee members’ opportunities to travel and engage were limited, we were impressed that people, especially women, told us, “Please...

Member
Lord Bruce of Bennachie (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2012
Reference
551 c1092
House
House of Commons

As co-chair of the all-party group on Afghanistan, may I welcome the report and the Minister’s comments? I have been visiting the country regularly since 2005 and am worried that the improvements to security that we have seen have not been matched by advances in sustainable economic development and governance....

Member
Tobias Ellwood (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2012
Reference
551 c1092
House
House of Commons

I absolutely agree. It is important that we say to our taxpayers and to the people of Afghanistan that we have no intention of seeing a curtain come down in 2014, which means that we have withdrawn. There will be a transition, a change and something different.

Member
Lord Bruce of Bennachie (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2012
Reference
551 c1092
House
House of Commons

A number of NGOs have a strong commitment, and there are some powerful female voices in Afghan society that speak out for women. However, there is real fear that they will be pushed back after 2014, and they need continued support. There is also a recognition that international NGOs are...

Member
Lord Bruce of Bennachie (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2012
Reference
551 c1093
House
House of Commons

There is no question but that corruption is a real problem in relation to the international community’s efforts in Afghanistan and other places. Is my right hon. Friend satisfied that the UK has put in place enough safeguards to ensure that UK taxpayers’ money is being used for the purposes...

Member
Jack Lopresti (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2012
Reference
551 c1093
House
House of Commons

The answer is no, it has not. There is no evidence that money has been misspent, but the Independent Commission for Aid Impact has said that the proactive mechanisms are not strong enough. The Department is taking strong action to deal with that, and rightly so. Afghanistan is an extremely...

Member
Lord Bruce of Bennachie (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2012
Reference
551 c1093
House
House of Commons

I welcome this valuable report, which comes at a crucial time in the run-up to 2014. On maximising the

effort as regards the money going into Afghanistan, what role is DFID taking in ensuring that the other donor nations recognise the need to work beyond 2014?

Member
Robert Smith (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2012
Reference
551 c1093
House
House of Commons