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Clause 49 agreed to. Schedule 7 agreed to. Clause 50 agreed to. Schedule 8 agreed to, as amended. Clauses 51 to 53 agreed to. Schedules 9 and 10 agreed to. Clauses 54 to 60, and 284, agreed to. Clause 61 under consideration when the Committee adjourned.

Lead member
David Gauke
Answering member
Cathy Jamieson; Shabana Mahmood
Department
Treasury
Type
Debates on bills; Public Bill Committee proceedings
Committee
Finance (No. 2) Bill Committee
Date
13 May 2014
House
House of Commons
Laid by
Secretary Chris Grayling
Department
Ministry of Justice
Type
Annual reports; House of Commons papers
Date
8 May 2014
Reference
HC 1237 2013-14
House
House of Lords; House of Commons

My Lords, I am grateful for the opportunity to draw this matter to the attention of the Committee. I must start by declaring an interest. My farm, on which I scratch a living, is run under a parliamentary trust with trustees who are properly named and all the accounts are...

Member
Lord Willoughby de Broke (UK Independence Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 April 2014
Reference
753 cc294-7GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am tempted to think that the noble Lord, Lord Willoughby de Broke, is a little overanxious about this matter. That will perhaps come out later on in this debate. However, he made some points that I am tempted to agree with on the background to this. It...

Member
Lord Dykes (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 April 2014
Reference
753 cc297-9GC
House
House of Lords

I was just about to finish by asking the Government three quick questions. In the Minister’s letter of 13 December 2013, which I was referring to, the Government broadly supported the Commission’s proposals but a limited number gave cause for concern. I am deliberately not including the gambling points; I...

Member
Lord Dykes (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 April 2014
Reference
753 cc299-300GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, this is an interesting debate and we should thank the noble Lord for introducing it. It concerns a series of issues that are still very much in the air because, as I understand it, the European Parliament has approved the directive but has made amendments to it. One...

Member
Lord Phillips of Sudbury (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 April 2014
Reference
753 cc300-2GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I declare an interest in that I set up a family trust in 1984. It is on the point of expiry, so it is not much of an interest.

I intervene briefly to press the Minister for detail on a question put by my noble friend Lord Willoughby de...

Member
Lord Pearson of Rannoch (UK Independence Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 April 2014
Reference
753 c302GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in the gap. I apologise for not having put my name down, but I was not sure I could be here this afternoon. The noble Lord, Lord Willoughby de Broke, alluded to the maxim of an Englishman’s home being his...

Member
Lord Watson of Invergowrie (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 April 2014
Reference
753 cc302-3GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Willoughby de Broke, on introducing this debate. The degree of sharp interest shown by all noble Lords in this issue may have surprised him. Passion has been aroused, and so it should be. It is interesting that it has been identified that...

Member
Lord Davies of Oldham (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 April 2014
Reference
753 cc303-4GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, some noble Lords, including the noble Lord, Lord Watson, and to a certain extent the noble Lord, Lord Davies, have missed the point that I was trying to make. There are already, under the Money Laundering Regulations 2007, absolute requirements on financial intermediaries and lawyers to report to...

Member
Lord Willoughby de Broke (UK Independence Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 April 2014
Reference
753 c304GC
House
House of Lords

The regime is ineffectual.

Member
Lord Phillips of Sudbury (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 April 2014
Reference
753 c304GC
House
House of Lords

That is not right.

4.47 pm

Member
Lord Willoughby de Broke (UK Independence Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 April 2014
Reference
753 c304GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Willoughby de Broke, for introducing this debate and all noble Lords for their contributions. I will try to answer some of the broad concerns expressed and lay out the steps that the Government are taking to ensure the effective and proportionate treatment...

Member
Lord Newby (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 April 2014
Reference
753 cc304-6GC
House
House of Lords

Before the Minister leaves that point, it might be a good place to press him on the famous doctrine of subsidiarity. In view of the difference between our system and the other systems in Europe, would it not be a good idea to use subsidiarity?

Member
Lord Pearson of Rannoch (UK Independence Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 April 2014
Reference
753 c305GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, the approach I set out would mean that we would have a different way of reporting the majority of trusts. Therefore, there would not be a common system across the EU. The Government’s view is that it is very important that, across all the EU, there is a...

Member
Lord Newby (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 April 2014
Reference
753 cc305-7GC
House
House of Lords

Would the requirement on the trustees and trust extend to revealing who the beneficial owners are?

Member
Lord Phillips of Sudbury (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 April 2014
Reference
753 c307GC
House
House of Lords

I am not sure I can give my noble friend a definitive answer now. I may be able to, but in any event I will write to him about that.

My noble friend Lord Dykes referred to the challenges of making a risk assessment in this area. Of course, it is...

Member
Lord Newby (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 April 2014
Reference
753 cc307-8GC
House
House of Lords

Lords question for short debate on whether they support the inclusion of private trusts in the draft provisions of the Fourth Money Laundering Directive.

Lead member
Lord Willoughby de Broke
Answering member
Lord Newby
Department
Treasury
Type
Questions for short debate
Date
3 April 2014
Reference
753 cc294-308GC
House
House of Lords

Queen's and Prince of Wales's consent signified. Third reading agreed to on question. Bill passed, without amendment.

Lead member
Simon Hughes
Answering member
Dan Jarvis
Department
Ministry of Justice
Type
Debates on bills
Date
26 March 2014
Reference
578 cc415-428
House
House of Commons

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.

I am happy to be able to inform the House that the consensus that clearly prevailed in the last debate on the previous piece of proposed legislation will, I believe, prevail here. I am very happy to bring...

Member
Simon Hughes (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 March 2014
Reference
578 cc416-8
House
House of Commons