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To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, when his Department plans to respond to the Defence Committee's 6th Report of Session 2017-19 entitled The Government's Proposals for Future Security Partnership with the European Union, which was published on 8 June 2018.

Asked by
Julian Lewis (Conservative)
Answering body
Ministry of Defence
Type
Written questions
Status
Answered
Date
11 September 2018
Reference
171268
House
House of Commons

With this it will be convenient to consider:

Clauses 2 to 8 stand part.

Amendment 1, in schedule 1, page 13, line 19, after “offences” insert

“other than the prosecution of members and former members of the armed forces for murder, manslaughter or culpable homicide, or for attempt of those offences, if the...

Member
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 July 2018
Reference
644 cc797-8
House
House of Commons

I am most grateful to you, Madam Deputy Speaker, for selecting the amendments. I want to say at once to our colleagues from Northern Ireland that I deliberately did not speak on Second Reading. They had some very important issues to raise on the budget and on decision making, but...

Member
Michael Fallon (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 July 2018
Reference
644 c798
House
House of Commons

At the outset of this debate, I hope the right hon. Gentleman knows that Members on the Democratic Unionist party Benches absolutely salute the courage, the dedication and the record of servicemen from across all of the United Kingdom who gave of their time, their duty and, for too many,...

Member
Ian Jnr Paisley (Democratic Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 July 2018
Reference
644 c798
House
House of Commons

I am most grateful for that, and in particular for the tone in which it was expressed.

This is not just a UK issue, but it is a long-running UK issue. I would like to pay tribute to my hon. Friends who have continued to raise it before the House: my...

Member
Michael Fallon (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 July 2018
Reference
644 c798
House
House of Commons

My right hon. Friend is absolutely right to say that roughly 300 Northern Ireland veterans are fearful of the knock on the door. All the allegations were investigated fully at the time. What is worse is that under the PSNI inquiry they were reinvestigated about four years ago and most...

Member
Lord Bellingham (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 July 2018
Reference
644 c798
House
House of Commons

Absolutely, and some cases have been reopened more than once.

Nobody in this House would suggest that our troops should be exempt from investigation or prosecution for any kind of wrongdoing—of course not. Parliament itself requires, through the armed forces Acts, that any such allegation should be properly investigated by the...

Member
Michael Fallon (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 July 2018
Reference
644 c799
House
House of Commons

As the right hon. Gentleman explained, the amendments apply only to the armed forces. I put on record my enormous, deep gratitude for the tremendous courage and sacrifice of all members of the armed forces who served in Northern Ireland—but so too did the members of the Royal Ulster Constabulary,...

Member
Lady Hermon (Independent (affiliation))
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 July 2018
Reference
644 c799
House
House of Commons

I am very happy to accept that particular challenge. My amendment may well not be watertight. I understood that there were some reservations in the PSNI about a statute of limitations. That is one of the complexities.

There are other complexities: if we introduce a statute of limitations in Northern Ireland,...

Member
Michael Fallon (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 July 2018
Reference
644 c800
House
House of Commons

I congratulate my right hon. Friend on his amendments, but does he agree that we need to tread very carefully, as there are important principles of law here? Our armed forces do not want to be aside from or above the law; they uphold the law. Does he also agree...

Member
Andrew Murrison (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 July 2018
Reference
644 c800
House
House of Commons

I accept both those points. I made the first one myself—our armed forces are subject to armed forces legislation and no member of the armed forces would want any exemption for wrongdoing or misconduct—but the second point is the more important. As it stands, ex-servicemen and women—mainly servicemen —are being...

Member
Michael Fallon (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 July 2018
Reference
644 c800
House
House of Commons

It is a huge privilege to follow the right hon. Member for Sevenoaks (Sir Michael Fallon), not least because, when Secretary of State for Defence, he seriously engaged with us on the Defence Select Committee when we conducted an inquiry into fatalities that arose during the troubles in Northern Ireland....

Member
Gavin Robinson (Democratic Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 July 2018
Reference
644 cc801-2
House
House of Commons

It is an honour to follow the hon. Member for Belfast East (Gavin Robinson); he is always a profound speaker, and he captured the spirit today, and the whole Committee was, I think, enchanted by his contribution. I thank my right hon. Friend the Member for Sevenoaks (Sir Michael Fallon)....

Member
Karen Bradley (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 July 2018
Reference
644 cc803-4
House
House of Commons

Will the Secretary of State put on record the Government’s admiration for the integrity and independence of the judiciary in Northern Ireland? As she will know, its members were often targeted. Some of them were murdered and many were injured, yet despite all the threats and the violence, they continue...

Member
Lady Hermon (Independent (affiliation))
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 July 2018
Reference
644 c804
House
House of Commons

The hon. Lady alludes to one of the points that I am going to make later on my concerns about the amendment, but I am very happy to put that on record. I have met members of the judiciary in Northern Ireland, and it is an extraordinary experience to visit...

Member
Karen Bradley (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 July 2018
Reference
644 cc804-5
House
House of Commons

May I urge the Secretary of State to realise that the protagonists in this bitter debate are sometimes trapped by their own rhetoric? The truth of the matter is that one side wants there to be an amnesty for one group of people, but not the other, and the other...

Member
Julian Lewis (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 July 2018
Reference
644 c805
House
House of Commons

My right hon. Friend feels strongly about this matter and has considered it in depth in his role as Chair of the Defence Committee, which has started a new piece of work on it. In my discussions with representatives of veterans and victims groups in Northern Ireland, the firm view...

Member
Karen Bradley (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 July 2018
Reference
644 c805
House
House of Commons

To echo the comments of my hon. Friend the Member for Belfast East (Gavin Robinson) and for the sake of clarity, this debate is not between two sides that want an amnesty. For the record, the DUP does not support an amnesty for anyone connected with Northern Ireland. We do...

Member
Jeffrey M Donaldson (Democratic Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 July 2018
Reference
644 c805
House
House of Commons

The right hon. Gentleman has been a leader in this area for many years, and I pay tribute not only to his personal experience, but to his leadership on this matter and his role in the Stormont House agreement and other matters since. I also want to put on the...

Member
Karen Bradley (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 July 2018
Reference
644 c805
House
House of Commons

Just for the sake of clarity, the Defence Committee has never used the word “amnesty” and has always used the phrase “statute of limitations”. However, the point I made earlier applies equally if that phrase is substituted for “amnesty”. One party, as it were, wants it for one side but...

Member
Julian Lewis (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 July 2018
Reference
644 c806
House
House of Commons