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Motion that this House has considered the impact of immigration on population growth. Agreed to on question.

Lead member
John Hayes
Answering member
Robert Jenrick
Department
Home Office
Type
Debates
Date
27 June 2023
Reference
735 cc85-104WH
House
House of Commons

I beg to move,

That this House has considered the impact of immigration on population growth.

It is a delight to speak in this Chamber on a subject which is not a delight; it everything but a delight, as I shall articulate briefly in this important debate. It is a pleasure to...

Member
John Hayes (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2023
Reference
735 c86WH
House
House of Commons

Does my right hon. Friend find it even more, frankly, antidemocratic that at no point in that whole process since the 1980s have the electorate been asked whether that outcome is what they want?

Member
James Daly (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2023
Reference
735 c86WH
House
House of Commons

That is entirely true. Indeed, there is a huge gulf between the expectations and the sentiments of the vast bulk of the British population on this subject and those of that awful marriage of greedy plutocrats and doubt-fuelled liberals, who seem to think that endless migration is acceptable. My hon....

Member
John Hayes (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2023
Reference
735 c87WH
House
House of Commons

I commend the right hon. Gentleman on bringing this forward. I understand the direction he is going in, but my understanding is that 1.2 million people migrated to the UK and 557,000 left to go elsewhere. That leaves a balance, as the right hon. Gentleman said, of 606,000 at the...

Member
Jim Shannon (Democratic Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2023
Reference
735 c87WH
House
House of Commons

Yes, of course I accept that and I will say a bit more on that later on. Of course it is true that people come here and make remarkable contributions to our communities and to our society. This is not about a failure to acknowledge that contribution; it is about...

Member
John Hayes (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2023
Reference
735 c87WH
House
House of Commons

My point relates to the ratio of numbers of individuals who have come to certain regions of the United Kingdom. In Northern Ireland, we have a fairly small population—maybe even in comparison with some of the cities that have just been mentioned—and yet we have received a large percentage of...

Member
Paul Girvan (Democratic Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2023
Reference
735 c87WH
House
House of Commons

Of course, when people arrive in the country, there is no accounting for where they choose to go. They will typically go to places where there is work, understandably; we would, too, after all. When I speak of these general numbers, the impact in certain parts of the country, as...

Member
John Hayes (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2023
Reference
735 cc87-8WH
House
House of Commons

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

Member
Dan Poulter (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2023
Reference
735 c88WH
House
House of Commons

I will be happy to do so in a second, but I just want to illustrate my point.

My hon. Friend may have been about to intervene to tell us this, but last year, we built around 180,000 houses. Bear in mind that the population increased by 600,000. We did not,...

Member
John Hayes (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2023
Reference
735 c88WH
House
House of Commons

I thank my right hon. Friend for giving way. I wonder whether he might reflect that last year was slightly unusual in that this country rightly took in approximately 130,000 Ukrainian refugees. There was also a net inflow of about 90,000 British citizens returning. There were other refugees from Afghanistan...

Member
Dan Poulter (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2023
Reference
735 c88WH
House
House of Commons

People come with an economic need as well as providing an economic benefit. There are costs and benefits to every individual in this room and every person who arrives in the country. The degree of cost they bring will depend on their circumstances. If someone comes who is sick, elderly...

Member
John Hayes (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2023
Reference
735 c88WH
House
House of Commons

It is important to say, in respect of that, that the reason why that contribution is required is that we have palpably failed to train home-grown people, who could take the same jobs. Does my right hon. Friend agree that we fall into a lazy argument if we simply talk...

Member
James Daly (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2023
Reference
735 c89WH
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend encourages me to digress, though within the scope of the matter before us. There is a macroeconomic lesson that needs to be taught to the Treasury and the Office for Budget Responsibility. There is a lazy assumption that increasing population is an automatic good for the economy....

Member
John Hayes (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2023
Reference
735 c89WH
House
House of Commons

I would like to expand on that very point and return to the issue of housing. My right hon. Friend might be interested to know of a visit I made to a housing development site in the midlands, where the vast majority of sales were to British national overseas people...

Member
Natalie Elphicke Ross (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2023
Reference
735 c89WH
House
House of Commons

I agree with my hon. Friend and pay tribute to her work in her constituency and more widely to highlight these issues.

To put this in perspective, if the UK continues to welcome the number of people we are admitting now, we would need to build 6.5 million more homes solely...

Member
John Hayes (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2023
Reference
735 cc89-91WH
House
House of Commons
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2023
Reference
735 c91WH
House
House of Commons

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Paisley. I congratulate my right hon. Friend the Member for South Holland and The Deepings (Sir John Hayes) on securing this debate. It is good to see him leading the debate on this issue, as he does on so many...

Member
Scott Benton (Independent (affiliation))
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2023
Reference
735 cc91-2WH
House
House of Commons

Thank you very much indeed for calling me to speak, Mr Paisley.

I did not come here to Westminster Hall to talk about figures. I came here to talk about what I believe is the important factor that has dominated the debate on

immigration in Parliament for the last 20 to 30...

Member
James Daly (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2023
Reference
735 cc92-4WH
House
House of Commons

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Paisley. It is great to be able to participate in this debate, and I congratulate my right hon. Friend the Member for South Holland and The Deepings (Sir John Hayes) on introducing it.

I will concentrate on the issue of the...

Member
Christopher Chope (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2023
Reference
735 cc94-5WH
House
House of Commons