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Lords second reading. Agreed to on question. Bill committed to a Committee of the Whole House.

Lead member
Lord Moylan
Answering member
Lord Markham
Department
Department of Health and Social Care
Type
Debates on bills
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
837 cc428-444
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I propose that the Bill be read a second time with some trepidation, not because this is a momentous Bill but, on the contrary, because it is a very modest measure indeed.

I shall go through its clauses, which are very few. The first requires the Secretary of State...

Member
Lord Moylan (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
837 cc428-431
House
House of Lords

My Lords, when I saw this Bill on our prospectus I was immediately suspicious. It follows close on the heels of an effort during the Public Order Bill to enable protests on the doorstep of abortion clinics. Happily, that effort failed and it was agreed that buffer zones were necessary....

Member
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
837 c431
House
House of Lords

Is the noble Baroness suggesting that I have been in receipt of dark money or any money at all, or would she like to take the opportunity to state that she is not making such an allegation?

Member
Lord Moylan (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
837 c431
House
House of Lords

I am perfectly happy to say that some innocent dupes are used by some of the organisations funded in this way.

This organisation claims that its tireless work helped the United States Supreme Court overturn Roe v Wade, which guaranteed the right to abortion. The ADF has supported controversial anti-abortion activity...

Member
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
837 c431
House
House of Lords

May I ask the noble Baroness what precisely this has to do with a Bill proposing a committee of research and analysis?

Member
Baroness Lawlor (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
837 c431
House
House of Lords

It is quite clear that the purpose of the Bill is to seek to roll back advances that have been made in relation to abortion, and to try to reduce the time limits we currently have. The House should know that in 2020, £390,000 came through the ADF into the...

Member
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
837 c432
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I congratulate my noble friend Lord Moylan on bringing forward the Bill—

12.45 pm

Member
Lord Robathan (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
837 c432
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I believe I am the next speaker; thank you.

There was an occasion in the last Session when a speech was made—it may well have been by the noble Baroness, Lady Kennedy of The Shaws—and it was so impassioned that the late Lord Cormack looked at me as the...

Member
Baroness Smith of Newnham (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
837 cc432-3
House
House of Lords

My Lords, first, I apologise to the noble Baroness, Lady Smith, for my inability to read. Secondly, I congratulate my noble friend Lord Moylan on bringing forward this Bill. To the noble Baroness, Lady Kennedy, I say, not only am I not in receipt of any dark money; I am...

Member
Lord Robathan (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
837 c433
House
House of Lords

My Lords, in declaring non-financial interests as listed in the register, I express my gratitude to the noble Lord, Lord Moylan, for bringing in this Bill. I entirely endorse what my noble

friend Lady Smith of Newnham has said to the House today. Being pro-life—for a woman and a child—and...

Member
Lord Alton of Liverpool (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
837 cc433-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend Lord Moylan for introducing this Bill for a foetal sentience committee to review understanding of foetal sentience and to inform policy. It is a pleasure—indeed, I am humbled—to follow the noble Lord, Lord Alton, with whose views I find myself so...

Member
Baroness Lawlor (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
837 cc435-6
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I commend my noble friend for tabling this Bill, which is on such an important issue. I had hoped that we would restrict our debate to empirical evidence on the merits of this modest Bill, rather than hear smears about right-wing dark money and conspiracies.

I will restrict my...

Member
Lord Jackson of Peterborough (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
837 c436
House
House of Lords

Why do noble Lords who are proposing and supporting this Bill assume that the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists is not capable of researching in the way that the noble Lord describes? Why are they again

attacking institutions that have expertise and do this constantly? It is like the...

Member
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
837 c436
House
House of Lords

I think that is a fatuous conspiracy theory again, but, if the noble Baroness satisfactorily answers my question about the involvement of Marie Stopes International and BPAS in the RCOG, I will gladly debate with her on the issues that she raises.

If I can continue—

Member
Lord Jackson of Peterborough (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
837 c437
House
House of Lords

I really must ask—

Member
Baroness Thornton (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
837 c437
House
House of Lords

I will not give way.

Member
Lord Jackson of Peterborough (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
837 c437
House
House of Lords

I am not addressing the noble Lord. I am speaking to my colleagues on his Front Bench. I am very sorry, but shouting “you” and pointing is not the conduct that we expect in this House. It is in our guidance, so I ask the Government Whip to please remonstrate...

Member
Baroness Thornton (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
837 c437
House
House of Lords

I say to noble Lords that the noble Baroness, Lady Kennedy of The Shaws, had ample opportunity to make her points. She intervened on me and I put a very reasonable question back to her. Perhaps I can now continue.

Noble Lords may be aware of a fascinating peer-reviewed academic study...

Member
Lord Jackson of Peterborough (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
837 cc437-8
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I wish to put on record that although my noble friend and I have very different views, as a matter of principle I defend her right to make her views known, and I hope she will understand why I respectfully disagree with her. I absolutely agree with the...

Member
Baroness Barker (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 March 2024
Reference
837 cc438-9
House
House of Lords